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Bug 85050 - MENU: Document change related menu items should be separated from find related items
Summary: MENU: Document change related menu items should be separated from find relate...
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: UI (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: Other All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired)
URL:
Whiteboard: target:4.4.0
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Blocks: Main-Menu
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Reported: 2014-10-15 09:52 UTC by Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired)
Modified: 2014-11-03 15:47 UTC (History)
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Description Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2014-10-15 09:52:18 UTC
In the insert menu in writer and calc, document change related items and find related items are listed together without a separator, similar to the below.

[...]
- separator -
Changes >
Compare Document
Find
Find & Replace
[...]

I think there should be a separator between these two types of items and that find items should appear above changes items, so that it appears similar to the insert menu in impress and draw.
Comment 1 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2014-10-15 10:00:11 UTC
Patch has been submitted https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11984/
Comment 2 Cor Nouws 2014-10-15 12:02:32 UTC
Hi Jay,

And what about Edit > Autotext (Writer) and Edit > Header/footer text (Calc)
Separate these too ?
Maybe the intention is to have some groups with not too distant features, to give some better oversight?

Cheers,
Cor
Comment 3 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2014-10-15 12:46:23 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
> Hi Jay,

Hi Cor,

> And what about Edit > Autotext (Writer) and Edit > Header/footer text (Calc)
> Separate these too ?

Edit > Autotext (Writer) likely deserves to be under Tools as you are modifying its options/settings. Edit > Header/footer text (Calc) likely deserves its own section, similar to how writer/impress/draw have sections that includes the entry 'Fields...', and could be accompanied by a new entry Edit > Hyperlink.

> Maybe the intention is to have some groups with not too distant features, to
> give some better oversight?

I dont see much similarities between these features that would suggest they should be grouped together, but my primarily intention is for the first three sections of the insert menu to be as closely similar as possible between all modules.
Comment 4 Cor Nouws 2014-10-15 14:42:01 UTC
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #3)

> Edit > Autotext (Writer) likely deserves to be under Tools as you are
> modifying its options/settings. 

Inserting Autotext is considered editing apparently.
Here too, I'm not looking forward to re-educate people ;)

> Edit > Header/footer text (Calc) likely
> deserves its own section, similar to how writer/impress/draw have sections
> that includes the entry 'Fields...', and could be accompanied by a new entry
> Edit > Hyperlink.

OK two in a group is fine. Too much one-item-groups are ugly

> I dont see much similarities between these features that would suggest they
> should be grouped together, 

Indeed. I see it as a group miscellaneous / slightly related.

>    but my primarily intention is for the first
> three sections of the insert menu to be as closely similar as possible
> between all modules.

ah well..
Comment 5 Cor Nouws 2014-10-15 17:43:16 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #4)

> Inserting Autotext is considered editing apparently.

And the Window (Edit > Autotext) actually is the way to edit those elements...
Comment 6 Cor Nouws 2014-10-15 17:43:51 UTC
But if people can live with a group of one item, I say  > new :)
Comment 7 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2014-10-15 18:56:09 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #4)
> Inserting Autotext is considered editing apparently.
> Here too, I'm not looking forward to re-educate people ;)

Well as Autotext is inserting text, maybe it can go under Insert. :D

> > Edit > Header/footer text (Calc) likely
> > deserves its own section, similar to how writer/impress/draw have sections
> > that includes the entry 'Fields...', and could be accompanied by a new entry
> > Edit > Hyperlink.
> 
> OK two in a group is fine. Too much one-item-groups are ugly

Yep it would be ugly just with one.

> > I dont see much similarities between these features that would suggest they
> > should be grouped together, 
> 
> Indeed. I see it as a group miscellaneous / slightly related.

Well i think find and goto related items should be a group of there own, as they are in most software.

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #5)
> And the Window (Edit > Autotext) actually is the way to edit those
> elements...

In Format > AutoCorrect > AutoCorrect Options... you are also editing those elements. :)
Comment 8 Cor Nouws 2014-10-15 20:47:27 UTC
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #7)

> (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #5)
> > And the Window (Edit > Autotext) actually is the way to edit those
> > elements...
> 
> In Format > AutoCorrect > AutoCorrect Options... you are also editing those
> elements. :)

Ah that's weird - in that case you must have a special version :p
Comment 9 Cor Nouws 2014-10-16 08:15:36 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #8)
> (In reply to Jay Philips from comment #7)
> 
> > (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #5)
> > > And the Window (Edit > Autotext) actually is the way to edit those
> > > elements...
> > 
> > In Format > AutoCorrect > AutoCorrect Options... you are also editing those
> > elements. :)
> 
> Ah that's weird - in that case you must have a special version :p

Or your 'those elements' referred to the Autocorrect options rather then to my 'those elements' ..?

To add confusion: Format > AutoCorrect > AutoCorrect Options... is a recent addition (5 years or so ;). Previously it only was at Tools > AutoCorrect Options.

Ugh ;) Enough ideas & inspiration to rework all the menu's probably!
Comment 10 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2014-10-16 11:11:09 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #9)
> Or your 'those elements' referred to the Autocorrect options rather then to
> my 'those elements' ..?

Yes my 'those elements' referred to the elements in the Autocorrect options not the ones in Autotext. Was just pointing out that modifying settings/options can be placed in various menus. :D

> To add confusion: Format > AutoCorrect > AutoCorrect Options... is a recent
> addition (5 years or so ;). Previously it only was at Tools > AutoCorrect
> Options.

Yes i was thinking to suggest AutoCorrect be moved to Tools, primarily as it has alot of spell checking fixes in it and goes well with the spelling & grammar and autospellcheck items.

> Ugh ;) Enough ideas & inspiration to rework all the menu's probably!

Yes i have plans to suggest a complete revamp of all the menus after i finish with the toolbars, so i look forward to those upcoming discussions. ;)
Comment 11 Cor Nouws 2014-10-16 11:31:05 UTC
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #10)

> Yes i have plans to suggest a complete revamp of all the menus after i
> finish with the toolbars, so i look forward to those upcoming discussions. ;)

Thanks - me too. But then rather with a total plan then with separate items. Hope you feel the same :)
Comment 12 Cor Nouws 2014-10-16 11:35:32 UTC
Then OK for the current patch ;)
Comment 13 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2014-10-16 20:08:24 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #11)
> Thanks - me too. But then rather with a total plan then with separate items.
> Hope you feel the same :)

Yes a fully thought out plan would be the way to go, just like i did for the toolbar. :D Only touched on these now, as i did quite a bit of work on track change related stuff recently.