(1) In Start Center under the heading Create, observe "Draw Drawing"
with the second "R" underlined.
(2) Type "R".
Expected : The program opens Draw Window "Untitled 1" and gives it
Obaserved : No action.
On Linux, I see this in dbgutil version 2015-05-31 ...
Build ID: 661791da72ec2ddddbba3552279e239f13df1c4f
Locale: en-CA (en_CA.UTF-8)
Build ID: ef2ed50231fd946c1f374ffbce28ebb98eda56c5
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@46-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-11-15_01:48:42
but not in ...
Build ID: edfb5295ba211bd31ad47d0bad0118690f76407d
On Windows Vista 32-bit, I do see the problem in ...
Build ID: 1a8e9dae32997bf199dbd192058fcd8f187ddc49
TinderBox: Win-x86@39, Branch:master, Time: 2015-05-31_03:55:23
Locale: en-CA (en_CA)
Setting keyword regression.
I think the issue is that both Recent Files and Draw have defined accelerators of "R" assigned. Since they conflict, they simply toggle from Sidebar Menu items without completing a selection.
However, an "r" accelerator selection followed by "enter" will launch the appropriate panel.
The conflicting accelerator "R" was assigned with
to provide means to return from template manager
Right you are that "R" in Start Center alternately selects "Recent
Files" and "Draw Drawing". Even now that I am looking for it
particularly, I can barely see the extra border around whichever one
And I must have been dreaming that the daily on Windows Vista worked
as I expected. Now I see that it works just like the Linux version.
I am closing the report NOTABUG.
Thamk you, Stuart, for helping me with this one.
Still - I think it would be useful to change the accelerators so that they do not conflict :-)
Stuart - any chance to push a patch that assigns something else to "Recent Files", please?
still reproducible under Win8.1 x64 using LibO 126.96.36.199.alpha1+ (x64)
Build ID: 8b788891796ff0571f779cdbe8ce809c35c42754
TinderBox: Win-x86_64@62-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2015-07-02_23:09:27
Locale: en-US (it_IT)
IMHO accelerators should be set according to the first letter if possible, like in the File, Tools, Help menu where you have "f, t and h"
then I'll leave the "O" and "R" for Open File and Recent File and leave the "e" for Templates (the t is already used for Tools)
then I'd change all the other accelerators...
W for Writer instead of D
C for Calc instead of s
I for Impress instead of P
D for Draw instead of r (which doesn't work right now)
M for Math
B for Base instead of a
I think that it would solve all conflicts and tha the final visual look would be better
edited summary notes.
I ask an opinion from the UX team.
(In reply to tommy27 from comment #6)
> IMHO accelerators should be set according to the first letter if possible,
> like in the File, Tools, Help menu where you have "f, t and h"
> I ask an opinion from the UX team.
Absolutely, use the first character by default. But first of all you should check against standards. So E&xit for instance would be alt+X. The proposed setup in this case looks good to me, anyway.
So instead of referring to Document, Presentation, Spreadsheet, we refer to the component name. Fine by me.
Thoughts on Main menu Tools vs. SC Templates, which gets the T?
Also Main Menu Help vs. SC Help, which gets the H?
Defer to the Main Menu (so its consistent through all panels)... or make StartCenter sidebar buttons consistent? Seems the Main Menu should have precedence.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7)
> (In reply to tommy27 from comment #6)
> Absolutely, use the first character by default. But first of all you should
> check against standards. So E&xit for instance would be alt+X. The proposed
> setup in this case looks good to me, anyway.
don't confuse single letter accelerators about the main start center screen and the accelerators and shortcuts in the start center menus, like "File/Exit"
the issue here is about the single letter accelerators of the first level
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
> Thoughts on Main menu Tools vs. SC Templates, which gets the T?
> Also Main Menu Help vs. SC Help, which gets the H?
> Defer to the Main Menu (so its consistent through all panels)... or make
> StartCenter sidebar buttons consistent? Seems the Main Menu should have
as said before in comment 6 I'd give the "T" to the "Tools" menu and leave the "e" to Templates
another consideration is that there can be different accelerator conflicts according to the UI language.
(In reply to tommy27 from comment #12)
> another consideration is that there can be different accelerator conflicts
> according to the UI language.
Yes, and another facet to using the module names would be that those aren't translated in the UI--so those accelerators would be stable. Less impact on l10n/i18n
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #13)
> Yes, and another facet to using the module names would be that those aren't
But the menu names are translated (as for T reserved for Tools not templates). I'd say we don't worry about translators. They'll manage or report.
sure, bottomline is:
- resolve current accelerator conflicts
- opt for a better accelerator selection criteria, which IMHO is "first letter, if possible"
this has to be carried out in any different UI language
Patch using first letter of module names as accelerators, as in comment 6, up for review https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16807/
vsfoote committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":
tdf#91776 Rework StartCenter accelerators, use first letter of module names
It will be available in 5.1.0.
The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
one question since I'm not very good reading code...
is your patch just about the english UI or does it apply to all languages?
@tommy27: The patch changes the original (English) strings, which will obviously have to be re-translated by each translation team.
And there’ll be no backport as the release branches are in string freeze.
I thought that there was "no string change" but just change of which letter gets underlined to become an accelerator... anyway I'll test the next daily build to see with my own eyes.