Created attachment 118468 [details]
ms word and LO screenshot
Header 1 Header 2 Header 3 styles have indent of the first line equal to 0.76 cm. What's the reason for it? It's not typographical standart, at Russia at least. MS Word deosn't have such indent in it's styles. Change default template, please. I see no reason to attach sample file, you may create it yourselft, I'll attach screenshot
(In reply to Yan Pashkovsky from comment #0)
> I see no reason to attach sample file, you may
> create it yourselft, I'll attach screenshot
Ok, so closing as INVALID, because many testers can't create a ms-word document as they do not have MS-Word.
Best regards. JBF
What does MS Word have to do with it? The problem is in unresanoble indent. MS Word is a STANDART in the world of text processors, it was just an example. U can also use web version of ms word which is availible for everyone.
Removing myself from CC because I am not interested in MS formats problems. I have lost enough time for that.
Try something else: a test file is needed, please attach one.
Created attachment 118483 [details]
OK, then. And again what does MS Word have to do with it? I CREATE NEW DOCUMENT IN LIBREOFFICE AND I HAVE THESE IDIOTIC INDENTS IN HEADER STYLE!!!!! NOT IN MS WORD, NOT IN F**ING WINDOWS, NOT DOCX, NOT DOC. I CREATE NEW DOCUMENT IN LIBREOFFICE WITH DEFAULT CONFIGURATION; AND HEADERS' FIRST LINE IS MOVED TO THE LEFT FOR 0.76 CM. WHY??? SHOW ME BOOK, MAGAZINE OR ANY OTHER PUBLICATION WITH SUCH BIZARE HEADERS.
PS I hope when I type in Capital letters, people will finaly understand me. If this didn't help, someone another from LO support should review this issue
Created attachment 118484 [details]
Additional clarification is never extra
UX: do we change the default indent of Heading styles?
Yes i find it strange as well, but never noticed it before because i've never had headings that went over a line. I would assume the default should be that there is no indent and if a user wanted to change the style to have an indent, then they have that option.
@Cor, @Stuart, @Heiko: What are you guy's opinion of this?
Agreed since I change it always myself. Zero indent ftw.
Would also support this. If noone objects, I can prepare a patch for this.
Hi all, supported also on my side, much better for i18n too. Sophie
Created attachment 118825 [details]
weird progressive indent of multi-line Heading styles
Yes, unclear why/how we have formatted multi-line Heading with a negative indent for first line. Also, there is some weird juxtaposition in editengine in that the successive HEADING levels increase the base line of the indent. That doesn't seem correct either.
However, checked LO 3.3.0, 3.4.6, 22.214.171.124, this formatting of multi-line Headings has been with LO from the start, setting Inherited from OOo
Would probably be simplest to remove the negative first line indent (if we can locate where that is assigned), but we will need to test extensively as it could cause problems elsewhere in Navigator, numbered/bulleted, content, and index styles.
Samuel Mehrbrodt committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":
tdf#93970 Outline indents should not affect paragraph indents
It will be available in 5.1.0.
The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
Are there any regressions? Table of contents e. G.?
(In reply to Yan Pashkovsky from comment #14)
> Are there any regressions? Table of contents e. G.?
God question :)
Would you please like to test? Download end of this day / today from
and if the patch is in, try it :)
Created attachment 118938 [details]
File create in Word. First line should NOT be indented
Thank you Samuel. This is working well for new documents. Unfortunately, it is still using the wrong defaults for .doc files.
When we import .doc files, we are still adding an erroneous +.3 before indent and -.3 first line to word docs. I believe this may be related to Bug 65865.
(In reply to Luke from comment #16)
> This is working well for new documents. Unfortunately, it
> is still using the wrong defaults for .doc files.
Hi Luke, please create a new bug report for that. That's an unrelated bug.
Are you sure there is no relationship? The symptoms are identical. If I follow the steps to reproducing this in Word instead of Writer, I end up with the same results in Writer. Both the erroneous paragraph style values and the fix are the same.
Created attachment 118988 [details]
Word Doc have same wrong indent values
A: attachment 118483 [details] opened in Writer
B: Results of C opened in Writer
C: Text of attachment 118483 [details] pasted in Word, Style=Heading 1, saved as DOC
Both A and B have same, wrong indent values. Your patch only addresses A. Since B is still broken, is it possible that you are fixing the problem at the wrong level?
Miklos you’re the import/export expert. What do you think?
Created attachment 119044 [details]
test file showing the new behavior
Up until now, in Writer usually (and AFAIK – which is limited) also in the ODF specs, the indent (margins) of the list styles prevail over those from the paragraphs.
So I think this change is problematic, I think..
Hmm, looks as if I commented to the wrong issue. Apologies!
Comment on attachment 119044 [details]
test file showing the new behavior
comment on wrong issue
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #20)
> in the ODF specs...
The ODF specs contain of typographic guidelines? Even when your comment was made regarding lists that would be relevant for headings too.
PS: It feels a little bit weird to discuss issues with resolved feature requests / fixed bug reports.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #24)
> PS: It feels a little bit weird to discuss issues with resolved feature
> requests / fixed bug reports.
Especially when it's the wrong issue :p
(In reply to Luke from comment #19)
> Miklos you’re the import/export expert. What do you think?
I agree that it would be better to file a new bug if you're not 100% happy with the current situation, since this bug has a fix associated with it already, and it's confusing when multiple commits reference the same bug. Thanks. :-)
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #12)
> Yes, unclear why/how we have formatted multi-line Heading with a negative
> indent for first line.
I did some digging to understand this. The old behaviour actually makes sense when outline numbering is enabled: it means that the indent of the second line will align with the heading text on the first line, taking into account that the first line starts with a number followed by a tab stop before the heading text begins.
I can also see that the default back in early 1996 was to have outline numbering enabled, from some old German comments in revision 84a3db80 of sw/source/core/doc/number.cxx
> Also, there is some weird juxtaposition in editengine
> in that the successive HEADING levels increase the base line of the indent.
> That doesn't seem correct either.
This increase in the indent amount makes sense when fully-qualified (dotted) section numbering is used. For example a level 3 heading may have a dotted number like "5.1.7", and deeper levels have even more dots, so they need more room for the numbering. I guess that such numbering used to be the default.
(In reply to Miklos Vajna from comment #26)
> (In reply to Luke from comment #19)
> > Miklos you’re the import/export expert. What do you think?
> I agree that it would be better to file a new bug if you're not 100% happy
> with the current situation
The doc version of this bug is filed at Bug 95576
Luke Deller & V Stuart,
It might make more sense to continue your discussion there.