Bug 98675 - Missing possibility to print style definitions
Summary: Missing possibility to print style definitions
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
4.0.0.3 release
Hardware: All All
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords: bibisectRequest, regression
Depends on:
Blocks: Template-Manager
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Reported: 2016-03-15 08:42 UTC by Ulrich Windl
Modified: 2019-06-07 07:45 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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screen shot showing how you could print the properties in previous versions (108.48 KB, image/png)
2017-08-11 15:53 UTC, Cor Nouws
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Description Ulrich Windl 2016-03-15 08:42:43 UTC
When I try to print the style properties for a template, the only things I find in the menu to manage templates are "Sort by name" and "refresh".
Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the options to print style properties?
Comment 1 Cor Nouws 2016-03-15 12:14:00 UTC
Hi Ulrich,

How long have you been asleep :) ?
Do you have access to this query:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=598334&namedcmd=TemplateManager
I think what you are missing is covered by bugs listed there?
Cheers - Cor
Comment 2 Ulrich Windl 2016-03-15 12:55:51 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #1)
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=598334&namedcmd=TemplateManager

"The search named TemplateManager does not exist. " is all I get, and I don't think we'll have to discuss who slept longer.
Comment 3 Cor Nouws 2016-03-15 14:00:03 UTC
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #2)
> "The search named TemplateManager does not exist. " is all I get, 

Hmm, maybe the shared-options that I've set are insufficient.
On the other hand, I do not see an active bug describing the problem (strange - I'm sure there were discussions on this subject..) > Setting to new now

> and I don't think we'll have to discuss who slept longer.
From what I remember there was some sentence in your OP that triggered me. Sorry for that.

Cor
Comment 4 Adolfo Jayme 2016-03-22 05:12:39 UTC
> Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the
> options to print style properties?

Funny that you say “once again” (implying recency), since the last time the Template Manager was touched was in a 2012 (IIRC) Google Summer of Code project: that is almost four years ago. In a few months we’re going to release version 5.2 and you’re complaining about a change that was introduced in 4.0 (which is ancient by now). And no, we’re not happy with the current status quo either.

So, Ulrich, if you’re interested in our plans for the template manager, be sure to check out these UX documents and provide feedback:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit#heading=h.q1t6im2oip6e
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit#heading=h.icneug3ebnpf
Comment 5 Ulrich Windl 2016-03-22 07:45:41 UTC
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4)
> > Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the
> > options to print style properties?
> 
> Funny that you say “once again” (implying recency), since the last time the
> Template Manager was touched was in a 2012 (IIRC) Google Summer of Code
> project: that is almost four years ago. In a few months we’re going to

OK, maybe it's the first time you broke the UI for the template manager, but actually I'm talking about the feature to print style definitions that used to be in the template manager for some obscure reason, and most users were unable to find it there. Now that the users are used to find it there, it's gone, and I couldn't find it elsewhere so far. And I don't need the feature frequently, because I'm not changing my styles that frequently. Recently there was some change in corporate design, and I tried to document the style changes (Long story for this issue).

> release version 5.2 and you’re complaining about a change that was
> introduced in 4.0 (which is ancient by now). And no, we’re not happy with
> the current status quo either.

BTW: You make versions ancient, not the user.

> 
> So, Ulrich, if you’re interested in our plans for the template manager, be
> sure to check out these UX documents and provide feedback:

In the first step I'd be happy to display/print the style definitions.

> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-
> RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit#heading=h.q1t6im2oip6e
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit#heading=h.icneug3ebnpf
Comment 6 Ulrich Windl 2016-03-22 07:53:29 UTC
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #4)
> So, Ulrich, if you’re interested in our plans for the template manager, be
> sure to check out these UX documents and provide feedback:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JRPNdeHQpgqiqJv8LW-RHOjtHN8EMX0qK98QBnr10Yg/edit#heading=h.q1t6im2oip6e
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri2jznhcQmCtk3cVygEhwN7pi8FkbIVV_OvRQce_n6Y/edit#heading=h.icneug3ebnpf

Having browsed those, you captured the issues I guess, but as indicated in comment 5 my problem is actually different (see comment 0).
Comment 7 Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) 2016-06-07 15:03:45 UTC
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #0)
> When I try to print the style properties for a template, the only things I
> find in the menu to manage templates are "Sort by name" and "refresh".
> Was it necessary to mess up the user interface once again? Where are the
> options to print style properties?

What do you mean with "printing style properties"? Can you post a screenshot of the former functionality?
What should be the output?
And what is the usecase?
Comment 8 Ulrich Windl 2016-06-23 09:01:36 UTC
(In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #7)
> What do you mean with "printing style properties"? Can you post a screenshot
> of the former functionality?

I'd wish my brain had perfect image memory and I could make digital copies of those; unfortunately I cannot provide a screenshot when I last used the feature.
"printing style properties" is the feature to display all the properties set for all the styles being defined or used in the current document. Preferrably you can print that document then. Clear now?

(Almost 30 years ago a product named "Ventura Publisher" (running with DOS/GEM) had that feature, too. And some older OpenOffice had a limited version of that, too...)

> What should be the output?

A structured document showing (in a preferrably clever way) all the formatting properties of all styles being defined or used for a document).

> And what is the usecase?

The use case is:
1) Documenting the formatting styles
2) Check the formatting styles for consistency
3) Help product support (=you) with style issues

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #1)
The link https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=598334&namedcmd=TemplateManager still does not work.
Comment 9 Cor Nouws 2016-06-23 21:01:37 UTC
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #8)

> I'd wish my brain had perfect image memory and I could make digital copies
> of those; unfortunately I cannot provide a screenshot when I last used the
> feature.

;)
I think I can one of the next days.
Comment 10 Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) 2016-11-25 08:53:53 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #9)
> (In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #8)
> 
> > I'd wish my brain had perfect image memory and I could make digital copies
> > of those; unfortunately I cannot provide a screenshot when I last used the
> > feature.
> 
> ;)
> I think I can one of the next days.

Yes, please; also the OpenOffice/LibreOffice version where this was available would be useful.
Comment 11 QA Administrators 2017-05-31 10:50:54 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 12 Ulrich Windl 2017-06-01 06:13:27 UTC
(In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #10)

> Yes, please; also the OpenOffice/LibreOffice version where this was
> available would be useful.

Accidentially I had my StarOffice 9 book in hands: The feature is present there. Is that enough for a version where the feature was present?
Comment 13 Cor Nouws 2017-08-11 15:52:33 UTC
In OOo: File-Template-Manage-DoubleClick..see Styles .. RightClick...See-Print-Option
(will attach screen shot) > new
Comment 14 Cor Nouws 2017-08-11 15:53:25 UTC
Created attachment 135473 [details]
screen shot showing how you could print the properties in previous versions
Comment 15 QA Administrators 2018-08-12 02:35:30 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 16 Cor Nouws 2019-06-07 07:45:07 UTC
still misses in 6.3 master