Bug 106983 - UI should not allow use of Unordered tab and Outline tab in "Format>Bullets and Numbering" when selected paragraph has "Chapter Numbering" as its assigned List Style
Summary: UI should not allow use of Unordered tab and Outline tab in "Format>Bullets a...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
: 94107 (view as bug list)
Depends on:
Blocks: Bullet-Numbering-Dialog Bullet-Number-Outline-Lists Chapter-Numbering
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Reported: 2017-04-05 22:02 UTC by Regina Henschel
Modified: 2021-09-25 09:41 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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document to test the description (14.82 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2017-04-05 22:02 UTC, Regina Henschel

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Description Regina Henschel 2017-04-05 22:02:04 UTC
Created attachment 132359 [details]
document to test the description

Open attached document. Set cursor in a heading. Call "Bullets and Numbering" dialog from context menu or Format menu. Goto tab "Outline", select the bottom right set, that which has bullets, click OK.

Notice that the headings show this bullets. Goto Tools > Outline numbering. Notice that the bullets are shown in the preview.

Save the document. Close it. Reopen it. The headings have no numbering at all.

It is a bad user experience, that the user gets no hint, that bullets on outline numbering are not possible, and he will notice the problem first, when he reopens the document and sees, that the bullets are lost.

The bullets are lost, because a outline list cannot have bullets in file format.

The UI should not allow a setting, which is not possible to be saved.
Comment 1 Sebastien edouard 2017-04-15 18:31:02 UTC
Its indeed confusing. Tried it and bullet did disappear from the document upon saving. Tried the other option and they all work.
Comment 2 Thomas Lendo 2017-04-19 06:45:24 UTC
I assume inheritance from OOo because LibO 3.3 shows the same behavior.

Tested with LibreOffice 3.3.0, OOO330m19 (Build:6), tag libreoffice-
Comment 3 Thomas Lendo 2017-04-21 20:29:11 UTC
Not only on Windows. Tested with, Build-ID: 1:5.3.2~rc2-0ubuntu1~trusty1, CPU-Threads: 2; BS-Version: Linux 3.13; UI-Render: Standard; VCL: gtk2; Layout-Engine: neu
Comment 4 Regina Henschel 2017-09-09 10:29:50 UTC
*** Bug 94107 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 5 QA Administrators 2018-09-10 02:37:26 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 6 Regina Henschel 2018-09-10 09:48:31 UTC
The bug exists as described still in Version: (x64)
Build ID: 7f43f0b50135e147fb2bb1f942da3bf60153fd2c
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0; UI render: GL; 
TinderBox: Win-x86_64@42, Branch:master, Time: 2018-09-06_01:41:39
Locale: de-DE (en_US); Calc: CL
Comment 7 QA Administrators 2019-09-11 04:38:18 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 8 Regina Henschel 2019-09-11 10:08:17 UTC
The error still exists in Version: (x64)
Build ID: fd67c89e52441387dffab1c788007271e717571b
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0; UI render: default; VCL: win; 
TinderBox: Win-x86_64@42, Branch:master, Time: 2019-09-03_06:15:20
Locale: de-DE (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded
Comment 9 sdc.blanco 2021-03-16 11:47:13 UTC
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #0)
> Save the document. Close it. Reopen it. The headings have no numbering at all.
Can repro with
Also relevant to note:
  1. All the outlines in Outline tab, except one, include bullets.
  2. If Bullets are applied from the Bullets (Unordered) tab in Format -
     Bullets and Numbering, then the same problem occurs.

In sum: Central issue is that applying bullets to paragraphs that have Chapter Numbering as List Style, using Format - Bullets and Numbering will result in the bullets being lost.

Documentation advises against using Format>Bullets and Numbering with Chapter Numbering. 

Maybe documentation could be improved (a little).  See tip (with light bulb) in: 

(has a note that says to use Tools-Chapter Numbering with headings).

Any suggestions?

In relation to the problem you describe: 

To achieve what you want, it would be necessary to know when a paragraph style is listed in Tools > Chapter Numbering (cannot rely on using "Heading N" only, because it is possible to change PS in the Chapter Numbering dialog), and given that the problem is with bullets in general (plus the advice in the documentation), perhaps best to disable both the Unordered (Bullets) and Outline tabs.

Have modified the bug summary to reflect that idea. Please modify again if I have misinterpreted.
Comment 10 sdc.blanco 2021-03-25 23:17:19 UTC
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #9)
> Maybe documentation could be improved (a little).
Have tried to emphasize/highlight further in the help pages with:

1. Elaborated tip in "Tools - Chapter Numbering"
   and embedded it into 
   https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/numbering_paras.html  (to replace similar tip)


2. Added note to guide page about manual numbering to use "tools-chapter numbering" for numbered headings. 


Also corrected bug summary here ( "Ordered" -> "Unordered" )from my previous attempt to rewrite.