Description: while discussing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124669 it came up that the wording around the setting of tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula - Recalculation on File Load is questionable, it announces to work for some special files, but works for others too. this is irritating for users. Winfried Donkers asked me to file new bugs since the original problem is solved, this request is for "- the comment 'odf spreadsheet (not saved with libreoffice)' looks outdated, the setting produces different evaluation of the file even after saving it with a different name from inside calc, thus neither 'excel' nor 'not saved with libreoffice' are matched ... despite that calc does! do a new calculation of the values with this option set, and doesn't if not set. someone should check under which conditions recalc is triggered, check if that's the intended logic, and either correct the handling of files or the comments in the setting dialog." mentioned there. Steps to Reproduce: go to tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula, see the dialog for Recalculation on File Load there, try with the steps of comment 7 of #124669 that the setting does affect files stored with actual calc versions too, Actual Results: the setting works on files stored with fresh versions of LO calc, Expected Results: either the setting to affect only the files specified in the dialog, or the dialog announcing clearly that it will affect 'normal' files too. Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: i think the problem is in all versions, the wording in mac and linux versions may be different
The option is clearly described here https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01060900.html However, I could imagine that we, virtually, switch from never to prompt. Meaning, if the file needs recalculation we present an infobar with access to it. Plus and option "[ ] Don't show again" including a tooltip where the option can be changed later. What do you think, Eike?
There is no way to detect whether a file needs recalculation or not, so presenting a conditional "recalculate this" infobar isn't possible. In some circumstances and combinations of formula expressions portions are recalculated anyway, so the expectation that nothing would be recalculated if the option isn't set doesn't hold. Unless AutoCalculate is set off for that document.
So following Eike's comment my take here is WFM. Or what alternative to 'odf spreadsheet (not saved with libreoffice)' do you have in mind, b?
there may some situations where a recalc is necessary due to implementation change: - a formula has changed with a new LO version, e.g.: [Bug 73081] COUNTIF with criterium <>number does not count empty cells -> Option: "Never Recalculate within same LO version" could help situations, where a not fully recalculatetd spreadsheet is saved and does not recalc on load are really worse, e.g. recently fixed recalc issues after copy&paste / drag&drop. an additional option to inform the user always could help: -> "Never Recalculate - show Infobar"
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > So following Eike's comment my take here is WFM. Or what alternative to 'odf > spreadsheet (not saved with libreoffice)' do you have in mind, b? My text would be: "ODF spreadsheet" (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1) > The option is clearly described here > https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01060900.html IMO the wording there needs to be changed: " Recent versions of LibreOffice caches spreadsheet formula " must be " Since version XX of LibreOffice ... " Recent is outdated soon, or maybe already. (In reply to Oliver Brinzing from comment #4) > -> Option: "Never Recalculate within same LO version" could help Yes, but that is an option within an option, so adds even more complexity, also for the user. I would not do that. > -> "Never Recalculate - show Infobar" OK, and how would that be different from current option "Prompt user"?
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #5) > > -> "Never Recalculate - show Infobar" > OK, and how would that be different from current option "Prompt user"? an InfoBar would not block the ui during file opening
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #5) > > https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01060900.html > IMO the wording there needs to be changed: > " Recent versions of LibreOffice caches spreadsheet formula " > must be > " Since version XX of LibreOffice ... " > Recent is outdated soon, or maybe already. See https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124954
We discussed this topic in the design meeting. A plain "ODF spreadsheet" should be fine (and an updated help). It's also a good idea to not interrupt the workflow with a dialog and show the recalculation in an infobar. By doing that we can also switch the default to "Prompt user" (which is the infobar) and draw more attention on the fact of required recalculation. The infobar could be an interesting easyhack.
And what the ESC thinks about this: + currently option is Never + it is dangerous currently (Heiko) + might need an update. + can re-calculate alien formats + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael) + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike) + would be there always for Alien formats. + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike) + can have some other wording, but … + suggestion is two-fold (Heiko) + not having a blocking dialog → info-bar is not controversial (Michael) + ask the user or not. → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike) + problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike) + these can need re-calculating from an old version. + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy) + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike) + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 eg. but not a friend of that. + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko) + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike) + should do something familiar (Michael) So let's do the infobar as easyhack and reconsider the default independently later.
hi @all, sorry for late comment, question: Eike: 'There is no way to detect whether a file needs recalculation or not, so presenting a conditional "recalculate this" infobar isn't possible.' Heiko: '+ no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)' what about his flow: 1. file is loaded, whatever format, whatever settings, with cached and stored results for speedup ... 2. recalculatio is done, in the background!, 3. results are compared to those shown on screen, 4. cells who's values would change on recalculation are marked and a warning or status note informs the user that shown results are 'subject to change on recalc', similar could be helpful when working with 'autocalculate off', possible? reg. b.
Dear b., To make sure we're focusing on the bugs that affect our users today, LibreOffice QA is asking bug reporters and confirmers to retest open, confirmed bugs which have not been touched for over a year. There have been thousands of bug fixes and commits since anyone checked on this bug report. During that time, it's possible that the bug has been fixed, or the details of the problem have changed. We'd really appreciate your help in getting confirmation that the bug is still present. If you have time, please do the following: Test to see if the bug is still present with the latest version of LibreOffice from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/ If the bug is present, please leave a comment that includes the information from Help - About LibreOffice. If the bug is NOT present, please set the bug's Status field to RESOLVED-WORKSFORME and leave a comment that includes the information from Help - About LibreOffice. Please DO NOT Update the version field Reply via email (please reply directly on the bug tracker) Set the bug's Status field to RESOLVED - FIXED (this status has a particular meaning that is not appropriate in this case) If you want to do more to help you can test to see if your issue is a REGRESSION. To do so: 1. Download and install oldest version of LibreOffice (usually 3.3 unless your bug pertains to a feature added after 3.3) from https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ 2. Test your bug 3. Leave a comment with your results. 4a. If the bug was present with 3.3 - set version to 'inherited from OOo'; 4b. If the bug was not present in 3.3 - add 'regression' to keyword Feel free to come ask questions or to say hello in our QA chat: https://web.libera.chat/?settings=#libreoffice-qa Thank you for helping us make LibreOffice even better for everyone! Warm Regards, QA Team MassPing-UntouchedBug