Bug 125021 - Notebookbar as default layout on windows
Summary: Notebookbar as default layout on windows
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
(earliest affected)
Hardware: All Windows (All)
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Blocks: Notebookbar
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Reported: 2019-04-29 08:39 UTC by andreas_k
Modified: 2019-06-10 17:23 UTC (History)
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Description andreas_k 2019-04-29 08:39:54 UTC
LibO follow the guidelines each platform the user use. As windows use ribbons at all apps, should libo switch to tabbed toolbar layout on windows to follow there guidelines.
Comment 1 andreas_k 2019-04-29 08:41:58 UTC
Can't be done before 7.0 cause help, document, ... had to be prepared before.
Comment 2 Michael Meeks 2019-04-29 09:13:58 UTC
Sounds reasonable to me; assuming we have developer / UX work to polish the tabbed Notebookbar enough to make this attractive. Worth watching where Windows10 goes - and whether we end up with an expectation for single-line tabbed toolbars: which are technically simpler, and look better too I think.
Comment 3 andreas_k 2019-04-29 09:19:25 UTC
I also prefer tabbed single line and as written its also easier.

I only start the discussion early cause if we found an solution for a switch it need one year for preparation, as I wrote. Design finalization, dev optimization, help and documentation updates, translation for everything, teaching, ... marketing.

About the enterprises, what's the feedback from them.
Comment 4 V Stuart Foote 2019-04-29 12:11:00 UTC
"Not" defaulting to the Microsoft "Ribbon" GUI is a major reason LibreOffice (and AOO) are popular among Windows users.  We do not implement UWP natively--we should not pretend to offer a Ribbon interface.  Functional differences in implementation of our Tabbed NB would be extremely annoying to a large class of Windows users.

Our MUFFIN approach allows user to choose a Notebook Bar layout of their liking, but the Standard toolbar(s) based GUI should remain default cross platform.

If we were looking for a MUFFIN interface appropriate to adopt as a new default (cross platform) IMHO the next effort should be a true Tabbed -- Multi Document Interface (MDI) as propsed in bug 37134 and duplicates.

Meanwhile ongoing MUFFIN work should include taming the Context sensitive toolbars of the Standard view, personally I like the idea of packing the toolbar buttons into a dynamic Sidebar Deck (see bug 124835).

But beyond that, moving Windows users to the Tabbed or Groupped Compact Notebook Bar would not be well received.

Comment 5 Roman Kuznetsov 2019-04-29 20:00:12 UTC
(In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #2)
> Sounds reasonable to me; assuming we have developer / UX work to polish the
> tabbed Notebookbar enough to make this attractive.

Do we have even one developer for it? I don't see it

I don't like this idea. 

-1 from me
Comment 6 Mike Kaganski 2019-04-29 20:04:52 UTC
I disagree with an idea to make LO be UI-incompatible *by default* on different platforms; so that a user starting to learn LO on Windows would become chocked when opened LO on Linux; and couldn't operate it, unless customizes it for familiar appearance. Making tabbed interface more prominent (using the newly added "feature" of tips; or some prominent button on toolbar, etc) is one thing; but inconsistency between versions for the sake of "consistency" with OS is IMO really bad thing.
Comment 7 Mike Kaganski 2019-04-29 20:05:52 UTC
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #6)
> but inconsistency between versions

between OSes; sorry for thinko
Comment 8 Jean-Baptiste Faure 2019-05-01 17:24:01 UTC
Set importance to enhancement.
Comment 9 Thomas Lendo 2019-05-04 20:35:22 UTC
As there is no developer manpower behind the idea I'm against this move now. But that's not to say that it's not possible in the future.

Until then it's up to the marketing to spread the word about the different available MUFFIN implementations to get user feedback and to build up 'pressure' to developers and the board towards this idea.
Comment 10 Pedro 2019-05-09 08:58:56 UTC
I am in favour.
Quite frankly, Windows users are adapted to the Ribbon UI and the Tabbed bar is the most similar to it.
It facilitates their transition to LibreOffice. And most Windows users won't use LibreOffice in other platforms any way (there's even less reasons nowadays with WSL and WSL2).

The current Standard Toolbar is a UI paradigm that is not used by any other Office suite. The vast majority of Office users have used a different UI for the last 12 years.

Another alternative would be to provide a prompt for the user to select the UI he wishes to use at first use of each module.
Comment 11 Xisco Faulí 2019-06-10 15:14:57 UTC
@Heiko, something to be discussed in the UX meeting ?
Comment 12 V Stuart Foote 2019-06-10 15:25:02 UTC
Hmm not a fan at all, IMHO => WF
Comment 13 Xisco Faulí 2019-06-10 15:27:10 UTC
reading the comments, most of them are against the idea...
Comment 14 andreas_k 2019-06-10 17:18:47 UTC
I am also for wf
Comment 15 Roman Kuznetsov 2019-06-10 17:23:45 UTC
(In reply to andreas_k from comment #14)
> I am also for wf

Let's close it now as WF. We can back here later, when we'll be have nice and full work new UI.