Bug 125999 - Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
Summary: Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: UI (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
6.0.7.3 release
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
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Blocks: Toolbars-Tooltips
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Reported: 2019-06-18 23:23 UTC by Ulf Zibis
Modified: 2019-06-27 14:25 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Description Ulf Zibis 2019-06-18 23:23:30 UTC
Description:
In normal mode on hovering over a button, I see the name of the button, e.g. "Align left".
With extended tooltips enabled I don't see this any more, but a longer description.
I think it would be better to see both then, i.e. the button name in the first line and the longer description in the following lines.

This will help to better refer to a certain functionality, e.g. in help questions.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Hover over a button, field or checkbox option.


Actual Results:
In normal mode on hovering, I see the name of the button, e.g. "Align left".
With extended tooltips enabled I don't see this any more, but a longer description.

Expected Results:
I think it would be better to see both then, i.e. the button name in the first line and the longer description in the following lines.


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
This will help to better refer to a particular functionality, e.g. in help questions.
Comment 1 V Stuart Foote 2019-06-19 14:25:40 UTC
Not a fan, and though currently Extended tips are out of service (bug 118148), Tooltip hints in the core label and the extended tips are complementary, combining the short tooltip/label with the more detailed 'extended' tip would not improve UX. 

And, as the extended tips is our mechanism for providing A11y support, sounding the Button name, the short tooltip, and the extended tip would become distracting/annoying for AT dependent users.

IMHO => WF
Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2019-06-21 16:02:20 UTC
(In reply to Ulf Zibis from comment #0)
> With extended tooltips enabled I don't see this any more, but a longer
> description.

The tooltip shows up for me was a proper distance to the control and never (at least not always) overlaps. Agree with Stuart on WF/WFM.
Comment 3 Ulf Zibis 2019-06-21 19:39:36 UTC
I have some coaching clients whom I support on using LO.
For beginners I often have enabled the extended tooltips, so they better know what a button is doing. The problem then is, when they have questions via phone, the can't tell me the name of the button, they have questions on.
For example in Calc there are three buttons for sorting. It's difficult to explain someone which button I mean, without knowing the name of the button.
Even for me with some rarely used functions it would better the know the name to better remember it or find some info in the web about it.
Comment 4 Ulf Zibis 2019-06-21 19:41:53 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 5 Heiko Tietze 2019-06-24 11:37:55 UTC
Good point, but what _name_ exactly would support you? There is the internal unique variable ID (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID) and we have label and (normal) tooltip.
Comment 6 Ulf Zibis 2019-06-25 18:49:51 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
> Good point, but what _name_ exactly would support you? There is the internal
> unique variable ID (see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language#KeyID)
> and we have label and (normal) tooltip.

I'm happy that even one understands the problem I wanted to point on :-)

As "button name" I meant the content of the normal tooltip, so that this term/phrase is available for both sides, even they have a different option set for the tooltips.

It may look like this (short tooltip highlighted):

 ---------------------
! << Short tooltip >> !
! Very loooong        !
! describing tooltip. !
 ---------------------
Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2019-06-27 08:15:54 UTC
Okay, that makes sense. Let's do it.
Comment 8 Samuel Mehrbrodt (allotropia) 2019-06-27 14:25:38 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7)
> Okay, that makes sense. Let's do it.

+100 for this! MS Office has it the same btw. Absolutely makes sense IMO.