Bug 138174 - Trouble reading preferences menu on Mac
Summary: Trouble reading preferences menu on Mac
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
7.0.3.1 release
Hardware: All macOS (All)
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
URL:
Whiteboard:
Keywords:
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2020-11-12 22:33 UTC by MarjaE
Modified: 2021-06-29 05:20 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

See Also:
Crash report or crash signature:


Attachments
Screen shot of LibreOffice Preferences (41.00 KB, image/png)
2020-11-12 22:33 UTC, MarjaE
Details
Screen shot of corresponding NeoOffice preferences for comparison (46.16 KB, image/png)
2020-11-12 22:34 UTC, MarjaE
Details
Screen Shot of LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 Preferences (31.49 KB, image/png)
2020-11-13 20:22 UTC, MarjaE
Details
Blurry Non Selected Vs Sharp Selected (146.90 KB, image/png)
2020-11-16 17:43 UTC, G
Details

Note You need to log in before you can comment on or make changes to this bug.
Description MarjaE 2020-11-12 22:33:13 UTC
Created attachment 167245 [details]
Screen shot of LibreOffice Preferences

There's something weird going on with text rendering, especially in the preferences menu.

I have trouble reading that in MacOS, and have a migraine from trying to read that.

Using Libreoffice 6.4.6.2 in MacOS 10.14.6, with Tinkertool to enforce "Old Style" font rendering, with a Benq GW2280 at 0% brightness, 30% contrast, 20% red, 30% green, 20% blue. I am sensitive to bright light, so I need to reduce screens below 0%, and am sensitive to strobing and animation, so I need to reduce red more than green.
Comment 1 MarjaE 2020-11-12 22:34:16 UTC
Created attachment 167246 [details]
Screen shot of corresponding NeoOffice preferences for comparison
Comment 2 MarjaE 2020-11-12 22:37:07 UTC
This is most noticeable with preferences, but can be an issue with ordinary text. Using the same font settings, and same zoom, in both apps, the LibreOffice version is slightly larger, fuzzier, and in my opinion harder to read.
Comment 3 Telesto 2020-11-13 14:41:36 UTC
Did you try change they font smoothing style in TinkerTool?

Look like kind subpixel hinting problem (Windows ClearType). And old style makes changes to they subpixels.

They letters are simply very thin. 

Alternative maybe changing they default UI font. But only fiddled with that on Windows. Not sure how that can be done on macOS or even only for LibreOffice
Comment 4 Telesto 2020-11-13 14:43:49 UTC
@Stuart
An idea to help MerjaE out here? It's about font/ClearType kind of thing + special requirements
Comment 5 V Stuart Foote 2020-11-13 15:15:48 UTC
For OP are you on Retina 4K/5K hardware? 

On a 10.14.6 macOS, seems related if not a dupe of bug 12218 (for Apple SDK 9 -> 10 issues), meaning upgrade to current 7.0.3 LibreOffice may resolve.

distinct from folks on macOS 11.0.1 where we now have 138122

@Thorsten?
Comment 6 MarjaE 2020-11-13 18:28:02 UTC
Yes, I forgot that I'm using old style + bold in TinkerTool.

No, this monitor is 1920 x 1080.

Searching for 12218 turns up an error.
Comment 7 V Stuart Foote 2020-11-13 19:38:09 UTC
Sorry my typo, but was on the see also list.

bug 122218

and from there bug 138122

But then, distorted font rendering when down scaling by the Apple Quartz compositor onto a 1920x1080 display could be an entirely different issue. Different than these issues with Xcode 9 -> Xcode 10 SDKs (or for emerging Xcode 11--not yet in use for LO builds).

May be, but might not be related.
Comment 8 MarjaE 2020-11-13 20:22:34 UTC
Created attachment 167288 [details]
Screen Shot of LibreOffice 7.0.3.1 Preferences

If anything, even harder to read.
Comment 9 Thorsten Wagner 2020-11-15 00:23:37 UTC
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5)
> For OP are you on Retina 4K/5K hardware? 
> 
> On a 10.14.6 macOS, seems related if not a dupe of bug 12218 (for Apple SDK
> 9 -> 10 issues), meaning upgrade to current 7.0.3 LibreOffice may resolve.
> 
> distinct from folks on macOS 11.0.1 where we now have 138122
> 
> @Thorsten?

I am not sure whether I understand the difference between the LibreOffice and NeoOffice screenshots right. Charecters rendered by NeoOffice seem to be a litte bit more opaque? As far as I know NeoOffice uses Java for font rendering. LibreOffice uses native macOS Core Text. As I do not know what settings are modified by Tinkertool I am sadly not able to give any hints based on the comparison of these screenshots.
Comment 10 G 2020-11-16 17:43:22 UTC
Created attachment 167336 [details]
Blurry Non Selected Vs Sharp Selected
Comment 11 MarjaE 2021-06-24 06:40:09 UTC
The font rendering itself has improved in 7.0.1.4.2. But it's still very small and hard to read.