Bug 160445 - change default of Settings > Application Colors > Custom Colors > Automatic from "Light" to "System Theme"
Summary: change default of Settings > Application Colors > Custom Colors > Automatic f...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: UI (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
24.8.0.0 alpha0+ Master
Hardware: All All
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Blocks: macOS-Dark-Mode
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Reported: 2024-03-31 11:50 UTC by steve
Modified: 2024-04-09 13:30 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Screenshot 2024-03-31 default "light" but why? (927.17 KB, image/png)
2024-03-31 11:53 UTC, steve
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Description steve 2024-03-31 11:50:24 UTC
Description:
This has been an ongoing issue since dark mode support was introduced for macOS in LibreOffice.

The reason users go for dark mode is often because they prefer a dark work environment. The reasons for that may vary but one main reason certainly would be, that working late at night in a dark surrounding, working with software that uses large while UI elements is hurtful to the eyes. This is explained in the following gif: https://media1.tenor.com/m/nhc2g3Hvy8sAAAAC/flash-dark-theme.gif

The current defualt in LibreOffice does not at all serve this use case. Actually quite the opposite. And it is very inconsequential. While Scheme defaults to "Automatic" meaning it caters two the two use cases a) users defaulting to dark mode b) users automatically switching light + dark mode depending on day time, the fact that Automatic is set to Light spoils the effort, since e.g. the writer page or the spreadsheet will be white resulting in the cat falling off the chair as per gif linked above.

Please change the default. Just follow the user system. Trust your users, chances are, they do know what's best for them. So no need to force defaults on them. Instead follow their system defaults to be a good platform citizen and blend in as best as possible on the respective OS.

Thanks for considering.

Steps to Reproduce:
install a fresh main build and look at  Settings > Application Colors > Custom Colors > Automatic.

Actual Results:
Set to "Light"

Expected Results:
Should be "System Theme"


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No

Additional Info:
Version: 24.8.0.0.alpha0+ (AARCH64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: c9d4f99b2bb54ac7735b3e0d0cadbafbd0279518
CPU threads: 12; OS: macOS 14.4.1; UI render: Skia/Metal; VCL: osx
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded
Comment 1 steve 2024-03-31 11:53:43 UTC
Created attachment 193415 [details]
Screenshot 2024-03-31 default "light" but why?
Comment 2 V Stuart Foote 2024-03-31 17:30:58 UTC
Same situation for Windows builds. Application Colors - the 'Automatic' scheme defaults to the Light color theme by default.

Setting 'System Theme' might be more appealing (though it is by default a dark document canvas which may be a little jarring for folks).

Setting Automatic -> 'Light' as current is safe and comfortable, and it is trivial for users to select 'Dark'

But Automatic -> 'System Theme' might be more in line with os/DE norms?
Comment 3 Heiko Tietze 2024-04-02 09:59:01 UTC
(In reply to steve from comment #0)
> The reason users go for dark mode is often because they prefer a dark work environment.
The UI should be dark but not the document background. At least you have no proof, neither I do. We could run a poll.... https://fosstodon.org/@libodesign/112201034714884916
Comment 4 Heiko Tietze 2024-04-09 13:30:27 UTC
Out of 628 responses 77% wants the default to be changed. So let's do it and accomain the change with some easy to reach switch as requested in bug 160349.