Description: It's second nature to press ctrl and plus/minus key combo on the keyboard and expect the view to zoom in / zoom out. LO doesn't meet this expectation. I think it would be great to add this key binding as a default. Steps to Reproduce: 1. Open a freshly installed Writer 2. Press and hold the Control key 3. While holding Control, press the + key Actual Results: Nothing happens Expected Results: Users generally expect the view to zoom in when pressing control and plus/minus Reproducible: Always User Profile Reset: No Additional Info: Version: 25.8.3.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 580(Build:2) CPU threads: 16; OS: Linux 6.12; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3 Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US 25.8.3-2 Calc: threaded
confirmed in Version: 26.2.0.0.alpha1+ (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 620(Build:0) CPU threads: 32; OS: Windows 11 X86_64 (build 26100); UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US Calc: CL threaded I also think this is a little weird not to have. Especially since in draw when you press the - key by itself the page zooms out, but if you press + or ctrl + nothing happens.
In Writer, Ctrl++ is Calculate and Ctrl+- Insert Soft Hyphen (btw. to see soft hyphens, you need to explicitly select their display in Tools > Options > Writer > Formatting Aids). See the long discussion in bug 45705 and https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/150212 "Too long; didn't read" summary is that it was not possible to settle on Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- across all operating systems, so now the global shortcuts are Ctrl+Shift+PageDown/PageUp
This is very disappointing. I really want people to like LibreOfiice but there's just so many things I see new users complaining about and then ditching LO. This is one of them. Please reconsider. Maybe there could be presets that the user chooses at the first run of LO? I'm sure most new users care more about zoom than soft hyphens. I myself have been using LO for 10+ years, wrote my thesis in it, and always thought ctrl+/- are just not bound to anything.
(In reply to Kuba Orlik from comment #3) > This is very disappointing. I really want people to like LibreOfiice but > there's just so many things I see new users complaining about and then > ditching LO. This is one of them. Please reconsider. Maybe there could be > presets that the user chooses at the first run of LO? I'm sure most new > users care more about zoom than soft hyphens. I myself have been using LO > for 10+ years, wrote my thesis in it, and always thought ctrl+/- are just > not bound to anything. You are greatly simplifying things. In the discussions I linked, there is this, for example: "MSO uses ctrl+minus for soft hyphen (and ctrl+plus for super script); changing this shortcut would be a major difference to Word." Then, it was pointed out that Microsoft had shuffled the shortcuts *at the same time* as the topic was being discussed in bug 45705 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/microsoft365insiderblog/new-zoom-shortcuts-in-word/4219049 If you read the MS blog article, you will notice a very important note added later: "(2/20/24) UPDATE: Since publishing this post, we heard from many of you that the Optional Hyphen and Nonbreaking Hyphen shortcuts were important to your workflows. Rather than having you insert them via the Symbols dialog box, we’ve added new shortcuts to give you quicker access." So Kuba, I have to ask you, what is your proposal for selling this change to all the users who have Ctrl+- soft hyphen in their muscle memory?
When someone opens LibreOffice for the first time, it displays a welcome screen that lets the user customize certain aspects of the UI. You can choose between Standard/Tabbed interface and customize the theme. I think this would be a great place to ask the users what type of ctr++/- behavior they'd expect. The popup appears only during the first run of the app, so the update won't mess with anyone's current bindings
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The proposal of having this particular shortcut in the welcome dialog opens the door (as the dialog itself) for more random configurations. Browsers reload the page per F5/Ctrl*R; shall we offer to reassign Navigator/Align Right as well? I don't think so. (In reply to Kuba Orlik from comment #3) > I really want people to like LibreOfiice... The association of a text processor with a web browser is just wrong. And I bet users learn this quickly. If you are an admin you may customize the shortcuts and share a new default template with this setup. In any case this is a duplicate of bug 45705. But I'll put it on the agenda of the design meeting first.
Clearly dupe of bug 45705 and => WF Fully covered in discussion of bug 45705 when the UNO behaviors were normalized cross module for keyboard zoom to match zoom available with mouse wheel. Initially without assignment of keyboard shortcut--dev choice and left to users choice to customize. And as finalized, attempts to identify suitable shortcuts faltered cross-platform and module. The *global* assignments "PAGEDOWN_SHIFT_MOD1" and "PAGEUP_SHIFT_MOD1" were made after that exhaustive process [1]. With understanding that users could/should make a different customization assignment, but that our keyboard assignment met needs. =-ref-= [1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/15021
(In reply to Kuba Orlik from comment #0) > It's second nature to press ctrl and plus/minus key combo on the keyboard > and expect the view to zoom in / zoom out. Is it though? MS Office doesn't have this shortcut. Neither does Inkscape; it uses Shift+Minus and Shift+Plus for Zoom-Out and Zoom-In respectively (which LO could not, since those combinations type a character in LO). > LO doesn't meet this expectation. > > I think it would be great to add this key binding as a default. Well, if Ctrl+Plus and Ctrl+Minus (In reply to Buovjaga from comment #2) > In Writer ... Ctrl+- Insert Soft Hyphen Does it? I don't seem get a hyphen with Ctrl+Minus. > (btw. to see > soft hyphens, you need to explicitly select their display in Tools > Options > > Writer > Formatting Aids). There is no option for their display there, at least not in LO 25.8. > "Too long; didn't read" summary is that it was not possible to settle on > Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- across all operating systems, so now the global shortcuts > are Ctrl+Shift+PageDown/PageUp But those are much less intuitive, for a feature that's in much wider use than manually calculating fields in Writer. As for the soft hyphen, that's more of a conundrum. Could we possibly split the behavior of Numpad Plus/Minus and the main keyboard keys for minus/underscoe and for equals/plus? So that Ctrl+main-keyboard-Minus gives us the soft hyphen but Ctrl+Keypad-Minus changes the zoom?
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #9) (In reply to Buovjaga from comment #2) > > In Writer ... Ctrl+- Insert Soft Hyphen > > Does it? I don't seem get a hyphen with Ctrl+Minus. Soft hyphens are invisible. https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01040600.html "Specifies whether soft hyphens (called also as optional or discretionary hyphens) are displayed. These are hidden user-defined delimiters that you enter within a word by pressing Ctrl+Hyphen(-). Words with soft hyphens are only separated at the end of a line at the point where a soft hyphen has been inserted, irrespective of whether the automatic hyphenation is activated or deactivated."
The topic was on the agenda of the design meeting but did not get further input than what has been commented here. Essentially this request is a duplicate of bug 45705 and the reason for this unfortunate situation of, at least, ctrl+<minus> being occupied is explained and discussed in detail on this bug. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 45705 ***
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #4) > So Kuba, I have to ask you, what is your proposal for selling this change to > all the users who have Ctrl+- soft hyphen in their muscle memory? Exactly as I said above — give users easy choice at the first run of the app. Many users I know don't even know that you can customize keyboard shortcuts — it's not quite discoverable. And when I show them how to access the keyboard shortcuts menu they find it highly unintuitive. So I think there's little to no chance that they are going to customize it themselves. But a nice binary choice at first run would be simple and easy (In reply to Heiko from comment #7) > The proposal of having this particular shortcut in the welcome dialog opens the door (as > the dialog itself) for more random configurations. Browsers reload the page per F5/Ctrl*R; > shall we offer to reassign Navigator/Align Right as well? I don't think so. Let's not use a slippery slope here. Both browsers and LO apps have a concept of zoom in / zoom out. So considering harmonizing them is reasonable. There's no "refresh" function in LO (to my knowledge), so we're not really experiencing the same level of conflict of muscle memory and discoverability.