Bug 45721 - Removing horizontal rule inserted by AutoCorrect (paragraph border) is unintuitive
Summary: Removing horizontal rule inserted by AutoCorrect (paragraph border) is unintu...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
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unspecified
Hardware: All All
: low minor
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: 40930 56912 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: AutoCorrect-Complete Paragraph-Borders
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Reported: 2012-02-06 14:12 UTC by Dotan Cohen
Modified: 2018-10-25 22:56 UTC (History)
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Description Dotan Cohen 2012-02-06 14:12:18 UTC
LibreOffice has a terrific feature that lets one add a horizontal line by placing four dashes in a new paragraph. However, it is not clear to the user that the horizontal line is actually a border to the preceding paragraph, rather (due to the manner in which it is added) it is perceived as being an entity all its own. Therefore it is not clear to the user how to remove it.

Users try to backspace over the "entity" that is the horizontal line, and this of course does not work. Sometimes users try to highlight it and then press Enter, which results in a _second_ horizontal line appearing!

Please devise an intuitive way to remove this horizontal line. I can make suggestions based on what users try to do to the line to remove it.
Comment 1 Michael Stahl (CIB) 2012-05-22 03:47:37 UTC
oh, wasn't aware of this funny feature.

but "Undo" seems to be simple enough to me?
Comment 2 Michael Stahl (CIB) 2012-05-22 03:50:03 UTC
looks more like "enhancement" to me in any case.
Comment 3 Dotan Cohen 2012-05-22 05:14:56 UTC
@Michael Stahl: Undo is fitting for removing the paragraph border directly after it is made. Undo is not fitting for trying to remove it later.
Comment 4 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2012-05-24 12:40:59 UTC
Hi Dotan, Michael,

thanks for bringing this to my attention... I've been in the situation of wanting to remove such a line a couple times already. I didn't know the explanation so far. So yes, I fully agree with Dotan that this behaviour is terrible.

Undo usually didn't help me (much) when I was in the situation, since usually I'd written more text in the meantime which I didn't want to delete.

Maybe there is a way of creating a "real," drawing line automatically that is anchored to the bottom of the paragraph instead?
The only problem I see with that is that this might make it too easy to move/delete the line... but that seems minor.
Comment 5 Richard C 2012-06-07 23:24:57 UTC
I found this "feature" by accident while typing an assignment very important to me. 
Writer kept adding lines every time I pressed the enter key, even after typing characters. 
Once enabled there is no apparent way to disable this "feature". 
This is a deal breaker for me. 
To complete my assignment I had to install Abiword.
Comment 6 Stefan Knorr (astron) 2012-08-16 19:48:25 UTC
*** Bug 40930 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 stfhell 2012-10-25 11:02:09 UTC
Instead of adding yet another interface to change formatting, one could simply fix this "feature-bug" by deactivating the corresponding autocorrection option by default. Why not make the quick formatting (horizontal rule, *italics*, _underlined_) an opt-in instead of an opt-out?
Comment 8 stfhell 2012-11-09 12:10:35 UTC
*** Bug 56912 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 9 stfhell 2012-11-09 12:22:53 UTC
Rephrased the summary so that people searching for "ruler" can find this bug report.
Comment 10 Eltomito 2013-03-22 11:20:41 UTC
Hi!

Thank you for filing this bug report. I've always considered this a fatal disease a document can catch from a couple of dashes being typed in consequence.

This is SO annoying. I've been experiencing this for YEARS and the only two remedies I've discovered are 1) undo (losing all text typed afterwards)
2) save as plain text and reopen (losing all formatting in the document)

My suggestion: I think the feature would be actually really useful, if the line was an object of the same type as a hard page break - something you insert as a character and can delete later on as a character. This paragraph-border implementation is way too cryptic for me. Dude, I hadn't figured it out until I read it in this bug report today!
Comment 11 Cor Nouws 2014-02-18 12:21:01 UTC
Work around (or solution - depending how you look at it):
- Select parapragh or Put cursor in paragraph
- choose Format > Clear direct formatting (or Ctrl+M)
- or got to Format > Paragraph and remove the line on the tab Boarder
Comment 12 tommy27 2014-08-14 08:34:20 UTC
thanks Cor, I'll keep in mind that workaround. anyway IMHO a more intuitive way to remove those lines is needed expecially for newbies.
Comment 13 Urmas 2014-08-14 09:10:07 UTC
I don't think it's a bug: people attempting to use professional tools as office suites are expected to learn them first. There are plenty of other text editors like Scrivener for household users.
Comment 14 QA Administrators 2015-09-04 02:47:56 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 15 Cor Nouws 2015-09-14 09:49:29 UTC
situation is the same in recent versions.
Comment 16 QA Administrators 2016-09-20 10:32:24 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 17 Thomas Lendo 2018-10-25 22:56:15 UTC
Still reproducible.

Version: 6.2.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: 0378bfcea51ff0f379d0954aa6740f1829909dc3
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 4.15; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3; 
Locale: de-DE (de_DE.UTF-8); Calc: threaded