(US) English Language UI Settings, LO 4.2.1.1, Win 8.1 Problem Description: In LO we are using for the main titles and headlines of the dialogs the title case (capitalise significant/longer words) instead of the sentence case (capitalisation follows the same rules that apply for sentences: e.g. first word starting with capital letter and then going on with small letters). I personally also would prefer that title case for the menus and dialogs of LO, but only for the main titles and headlines. Note: You can see the title case writing for instance if you take a look at menus in the menu VIEW. But I found there some dialogs where there are items not in this title case systematics, if we want to follow that (see list below). Does anybody has any objections, comments or corrections to my comment? Issues: FILE -> EXPORT AS PDF -> tab GENERAL: Signs with [w]atermark, Watermark [t]ext, View PDF after [e]xport FILE -> EXPORT AS PDF -> tab INITIAL VIEW: Page [L]ayout FILE -> EXPORT AS PDF -> tab USER INTERFACE: Window [O]ptions, User [I]nterface [O]ptions FILE -> EXPORT AS PDF -> tab LINKS: Cross-document [L]inks FILE -> EXPORT AS PDF -> tab SECURITY: File [E]ncryption and [P]ermission FILE -> PROPERTIES -> tab SECURITY: File [S]haring [O]ptions EDIT -> AUTOTEXT: Save [L]inks [R]elative to EDIT -> EXCHANGE DATABASE: Exchange [D]atabase VIEW -> ZOOM: Optimal [V]iew VIEW -> ZOOM -> ZOOM...: Zoom [F]actor, View [L]ayout INSERT -> SECTION -> tab SECTION: New [S]ection, Write [P]rotection, With [c]ondition INSERT -> SECTION -> tab COLUMNS: Separator [L]ine INSERT -> SECTION -> tab BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor INSERT -> HYPERLINK: Here the subtitles have a different format (not bold and with a line following). Should this stay that way, because this is different to other menus in the LO dialogs? I suppose that these dialogs have still to be converted to the .ui dialog form? INSERT -> CROSS-REFERENCE -> tab CROSS-REFERENCES: Insert [R]eference to INSERT -> CROSS-REFERENCE -> tab DATABASE: Database [S]election INSERT -> ENVELOPE -> tab PRINTER: Envelop [O]rientation INSERT -> FRAME -> tab HYPERLINK: Image [M]ap INSERT -> FRAME -> tab BORDERS: Line [A]rrangement, Spacing to [C]ontents, Shadow [S]tyle INSERT -> FRAME -> tab BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor INSERT -> FRAME -> tab COLUMNS: Separator [L]ine INSERT -> OBJECT -> OLE OBJECT: Object [T]ype INSERT -> FLOATING FRAME: Scroll [B]ar, Spacing to [C]ontents FORMAT -> CHARACTER -> tab FONT EFFECTS: Underline [c]olor FORMAT -> CHARACTER -> tab HYPERLINK: Character [S]tyles FORMAT -> CHARACTER -> tab BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor FORMAT -> CHARACTER -> tab BORDERS: Line [A]rrangement, Spacing to [C]ontents, Shadow [S]tyle FORMAT -> PARAGRAPH -> tab OUTLINE & NUMBERING: Line [N]umbering FORMAT -> PARAGRAPH -> tab TABS: Fill [C]haracter FORMAT -> PARAGRAPH -> tab BORDERS: Line [A]rrangement, Spacing to [C]ontents, Shadow [S]tyle FORMAT -> CHARACTER -> tab BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor FORMAT -> CHARACTER -> tab INDENTS & SPACING: Line [S]pacing FORMAT -> BULLETS & NUMBERING: Numbering [T]ype FORMAT -> BULLETS & NUMBERING -> tab Position: Position and [S]pacing, Numbering [a]lignment FORMAT -> PAGE -> tab ORGANIZER: Next [s]tyle FORMAT -> PAGE -> tab PAGE: Paper [F]ormat, Layout [S]ettings FORMAT -> PAGE -> tab BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor FORMAT -> PAGE -> tab BORDERS: Line [A]rrangement, Spacing to [C]ontents, Shadow [S]tyle FORMAT -> PAGE -> tab COLUMNS: Separator [L]ine FORMAT -> PAGE -> tab FOOTNOTE: Footnote [A]rea, Separator [L]ine FORMAT -> COLUMNS: Separator [L]ine TABLE -> INSERT -> TABLE -> OPTIONS: Repeat [h]eading [r]ows on new pages, Heading [r]ows TABLE: Heading [R]ows [R]epeat TABLE -> CONVERT -> TABLE TO TEXT: Separate [T]ext at TABLE -> SORT: Sort [C]riteria TABLE -> NUMBER FORMAT: Format [C]ode TABLE -> TABLE PROPERTIES -> tab COLUMNS: Column [W]idth TABLE -> TABLE PROPERTIES -> tab BORDERS: Lne [A]rrangement, Spacing to [C]ontents, Shadow [S]tyle TABLE -> TABLE PROPERTIES -> tab BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor TOOLS -> SPELLING AND GRAMMAR: Always [C]orrect TOOLS -> FOOTNOTES/ENDNOTES: Continuation [N]otice TOOLS -> EXTENSION MANAGER: Check for [U]pdates TOOLS -> CUSTOMIZE -> tab KEYBOARD: Shortcut [K]eys TOOLS -> CUSTOMIZE -> tab TOOLSBARS: Save [i]n TOOLS -> CUSTOMIZE -> tab TOOLSBARS -> Arrow at the TOOLBAR button: Text [O]nly TOOLS -> CUSTOMIZE -> tab EVENTS: Save [i]n TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> GENERAL: Open/Save [D]ialogs, Document [S]tatus, YEAR ([T]wo [D]igits) TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> MEMORY: Graphics [C]ache, Cache for [I]nserted [O]bjects TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> VIEW: Graphics [O]utput TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> PRINT: Reduce [P]rint [D]ata, Printer [W]arnings TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> FONTS: Replacement [T]able, Font [S]ettings for HTML, Basic and SQL [S]ources TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> SECURITY: Security [O]ptions and [W]arnings, Passwords for [W]eb [C]onnections, Macro [S]ecurity TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> APPEARANCE: Color [S]cheme, Custom [C]olors TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> ACCESSIBILITY: Miscellaneous [O]ptions, Options for [H]igh [C]ontrast [A]ppearance TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE -> ADVANCED: Java [O]ptions, Optional ([U]nstable) [O]ptions TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LOAD/SAVE -> GENERAL: Default [F]ile [F]ormat and ODF [S]ettings TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LOAD/SAVE -> MICROSOFT OFFICE: Embedded [O]bjects TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LOAD/SAVE -> HTML COMPATIBILITY: Font [S]izes TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LANGUAGE SETTINGS -> LANGUAGES: Default [L]anguages for [D]ocuments, Enhanced [L]anguage [S]upport TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LANGUAGE SETTINGS -> WRITING AIDS: Writing [A]ids TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LANGUAGE SETTINGS: English [S]entence [C]hecking: Here the subtitles have a different format (not bold and with a line following). Should this stay that way, because this is different to other menus in this Options dialog? TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LANGUAGE SETTINGS: Grammar [C]hecking (Russian): The same situation as above. TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> GENERAL: Update [L]inks when [L]oading TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> FORMATTING AIDS: Direct [Cu]rsor, Layout [A]ssistance, Cursor in [P]rotected [A]reas TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> BASIC FONTS (WESTERN): Basic [F]onts (Western) TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> TABLE: Keyboard [H]andling, Input in [T]ables TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> CHANGES: Text [D]isplay TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> COMPARISON: Compare [D]ocuments TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> COMPATIBILITY: Compatibility [O]ptions for ... TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> AUTOCAPTION: Add [C]aptions [A]utomatically when [I]nserting, Caption [O]rder TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER -> MAIL MERGE E-MAIL: User [I]nformation, Outgoing [S]erver (SMTP) Settings TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER/WEB -> VIEW -> GUIDE: Helplines [w]hile [m]oving TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER/WEB -> FORMATTING AIDS: Layout [A]ssistance TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER/WEB -> TABLE: Input in [T]able, Keyboard [H]andling TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE WRITER/WEB -> BACKGROUND: Background [C]olor TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> LIBREOFFICE BASE -> DATABASES: Registered [D]atabases TOOLS -> OPTIONS -> CHART -> DEFAULT COLORS: Chart [C]olors
Stefan: I thought this tracker might interest you.
Gnome style does not recommend title case. But *sigh* if you're going to change all these strings yet again, please change them in all the PO files - please do not bother translators again with this.
@Adolfo: Thanks for your reply. I personally like this title case for the main titles, but only for them. For me it would be principally also be ok to use sentence case. The only thing I would suggest is to use only one form but not to mix them like right now. Does LO have any standards regarding this? I think it would be important to define such standards. Regarding your second issue I have unfortunately to admit that I am not that a computer specialist/only a LO user (even if it would not need that many programming skills) and I also would not change it before having a feedback to corresponding LO rules and standards.
My comment was more directed to the one who fixes this issue, not towards you, Andy. The thing is, all translators had to retranslate half LibreOffice because of the transition to .ui-based dialogs, and if a bunch of strings change again just for consistent capitalization, that would be super annoying because capitalization is just an English language thing — it does not affect Spanish, for example. So, my my point was: whoever fixes this bug, make sure translations aren’t affected.
Gnome actually recommends header style capitalisation (i.e. title case): https://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.0/design-text-labels.html.en#layout-capitalization (See under "Group box or frame labels") => Let's go with GNOME here, since we try to follow their guidelines elsewhere too If you are going to do those string changes, please work out something with Andras, so you don't annoy translators (as Adolfo Jayme hinted at). (CC'ing him on the bug.)
> If you are going to do those string changes, please work out something with > Andras, so you don't annoy translators (as Adolfo Jayme hinted at). (CC'ing > him on the bug.) I opened bug 76404 to track changes like this. Feel free to commit the change, and make a note with the commit hash in bug 76404.
I did start fiddling on a (python) script for this change. If I succeed I'll work on bug 76404 too so no/few translations has to be redone.
Joren De Cuyper committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=171efcb7acf367e8db53694489815452d2a9894a fdo#76203 - use consistent titlecase for UI title labels The patch should be included in the daily builds available at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.