I think the comments in LibreOffice Writer don't look very good, to the point that it impairs functionality. The default font size is too big so if there are many comments, I either have to click the scroll bar on each individual one or resize the fonts for them individually. The commenting box is also taking up unnecessary space that is not filled with text. Things that will improve the commenting experience are: a smaller font, removing of clutter (appears on mouseover only) and elongating the comments horizontally so they don't take too much vertical space. It is also not possible to respond to a comment someone else has made, but one has to create a new comment next to it instead.
I believe there is much that can be learned by looking at how the commenting is done in Google Docs and also Word2013. There it is easy to get an overview of what has been commented upon at a quick glance and get to the important comments right away.
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Moving this over to ux-advise side. Please identify the build of LibreOffice you are working with as there are continual changes with the track changes and commenting.
Mock-ups and annotated screen captures are helpful to the design and implementation process--see if you can rough them out with pointers of what is wrong and which are priorities.
The UX team is currently working on a new implementation of the changes manager. Stay tuned for the upcoming blog post...
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comparison of commenting layouts
Some specifics regarding what is good and bad regarding the layout of comments in MS Word, LO, and Google docs
Exciting to hear that there are changes coming to the layout! I uploaded a document with a few suggestions regarding what I think makes a good commenting layout.
Totally agree that improvements are needed to commenting and i was intending to make many of the same suggestions as i've used Google Docs and liked their style of commenting, primarily the easy of nested comments.
As bug reports are supposed to focus on one particular bug/enhancement, i think this one should be retitled to focus on improving comments as Heiko and the design team are working on improvements to track changes.
Here are some of the suggestions i think should go into improving comments.
* Make comments a plain color rather than the gradient, as the page is plain and so is the comment column.
* Minimum height of a comment needs to me smaller
* Comments column needs to be wider by 10 to 15 percent.
* Padding should be around the comment text as well the author and time lines should be padded as well.
* Two additional buttons are needed along with the drop down button. One for delete and one for reply (both being available in the context menu).
* It would be nice to have a slightly darker background color for the information part of the comment, so that its easier to see what part isnt the comment text.
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(In reply to Joel from comment #0)
> It is also not possible to
> respond to a comment someone else has made, but one has to create a new
> comment next to it instead.
Just to clarify this. I was also under the impression that it wasnt possible to do so, but it is. You click on the drop arrow of the comment you want to respond to and you will be given the option to reply to it if the comment originates from another user. It would be better for an icon to appear in the same area that a user could click to reply rather than having them open up the drop down to do it, as replying to a comment is a fundamental of commenting.
Try to save and reload the document. In my test with 4.5 the secondary comment wasn't stored as it. Despite from this bug a threaded review would need more than just one level (comment to comment). UX team dropped this therefore as a primary requirement.
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I just tested saving reply comments in a document and it saved fine for me, so if thats not the case for you Heiko, i'd file a bug for that. I've attached one i just created.
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(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #6)
> * Make comments a plain color rather than the gradient, as the page is plain
> and so is the comment column.
The gradient looks nice. If it ain't broke...
> * Minimum height of a comment needs to me smaller
Agreed! Easiest way to fit more on the page (see below).
> * Comments column needs to be wider by 10 to 15 percent.
As long as this doesn't interfere with printing (which it shouldn't), agreed!
> * Padding should be around the comment text as well the author and time
> lines should be padded as well.
Disagree, actually. The more padding you add, the less space you have for comments, which is why I suggest:
* Make the time-stamp and the author optional.
* Make the minimum size ~1~ line, not four
(See attachment from Pages, above.)
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Minimalist comment box from Apple Pages 4.3
(In reply to Orion from comment #11)
> > * Comments column needs to be wider by 10 to 15 percent.
> As long as this doesn't interfere with printing (which it shouldn't),
> > * Padding should be around the comment text as well the author and time
> > lines should be padded as well.
> Disagree, actually. The more padding you add, the less space you have for
> comments, which is why I suggest:
With the increase of the column width by 10 to 15 percent adding padding wouldnt to a negative. The need for padding is quite obvious, as you dont create documents without page margins and presently that is how comments appear touching the sides of the comments column.
*** Bug 108626 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Hi, for me the key would be for all of all the comments to be visible, where space makes that a possibility, and where it isn't, clicking into a comment should immediately show the whole of that comment (up to a very generous limit).
In Libre Office Online currently you can put a comment on an item, we use Google Docs where you have threaded view that can be pulled up any time from within the document and the ability for 'resolved' comments to stay in place. That way you have a clear history of what has been discussed and can be referred back to.
I submitted this as per https://github.com/nextcloud/richdocuments/issues/274 and was advised similar to this issue.
Is this possible?
There are several useful remarks in this report. But of such a different nature, that it does short to most/all of them.
Pls be so kind to pick out your specific RFE and create a new report. Thanks!
In doing so, you may want to take a look at existing issues too: