I'm a new user to LibreOffice and I watched a YouTube video on how to get started (using version 7.3.2). The video showed how to set default font to something that would be compatible with "other" office packages and also how to set the "document type" when Saving/Loading", this was done for the "Write" application when it was open. So, I get into "CALC Spreadsheet" app and I try to do the same for it, to save/load in "xlsx" format, and I could not figure it out for hours (yes, I know, Im DUMB!) Each time I opened +Save/Load, the "Document Type" was always "Text" and I just did not realize that "Document Type" with its "Text" value was just a default and there is a drop down menu to select "Spreadsheet"!!! So, my request to improve LibreOffice is" have the "Document Type" reflect the application that is open and being currently used, so I have Calc open and I go to the +Save/Load->General, it should by default show that its "Document Type" is Spreadsheet. If I have the Impress Presentation app open and use the Tools->Options->+Save/Load->General, its Document Type should be "Presentation" by default! The same for the other applications, Writer=Text, Calc=Spreadsheet, Presentation=Presentation, etc.... This would go a long way to make the product more intuitive. Of course, if you go to the Tools->Options->+Save/Load page directly from the main screen (without being in any of the applications, than the default can remain "Text" and if you're a knowledgeable user, you know to use the drop down menu to set its type and the how you want that document to be saved. Thanks, Pete
Summarizing: Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Default File Formats and ODF Settings with command sequence initiated from Calc. Actual: Document Type shows "Text document" Expected: " " shows "Spreadsheet" Enhancement request: "Document type" (and "Always save as") should correspond to the application used to open this dialog. (Did I get it right Pete?) Asking Design Team....
Yes, Pete is right. The connected dropdown lists are not intuitive and to initialize it per module is an improvement. Some types are yet not associated with a specific module, namely HTML and Master document. Not a big deal. What bothers me more is what we show when started without module context meaning from the start center. Just the first entry as today, I'd say. And I also struggle with "Text document" thinking of ASCII rather than formatted text. My proposal is to rename the module specific entries with their module name: "Text Documents (Writer)", "Spreadsheets (Calc)"... similar to bug 118330 and bug 118435. It would also be an improvement if the arrangement of the two controls indicate the relationship. Might be a bit too large if we place the two next to each other, though.
code pointers: cui/uiconfig/ui/optsave.ui cui/source/options/optsave.hxx cui/source/options/optsave.cxx void SvxSaveTabPage::Reset m_xDocTypeLB set_active_id hints on how to identify the module: cui/source/customize/acccfg.cxx SfxAcceleratorConfigPage::InitAccCfg git grep -n 'xModuleManager->identify'
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(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > And I also struggle with "Text document" thinking of ASCII rather than > formatted text. My proposal is to rename the module specific entries with > their module name: "Text Documents (Writer)", "Spreadsheets (Calc)"... > similar to bug 118330 and bug 118435. To change modeule name, I current change: Text Document -> Text Documents (Writer) HTML document -> HTML documents (Writer Web) Master document -> Master documents (Writer) Spreadsheet -> Spreadsheets (Calc) Presentation -> Presentation (Impress) Drawing -> Drawings (Draw) Formula -> Formulas (Math) Do you see anything counter-intuitive? For example - Should we use plural form? - Should we use all capital letters like you suggest in bug 118330? - What do we add from Master documents? Is Writer good enough?
In this patch[1], I use: Text Document -> Text Documents (Writer) HTML document -> HTML documents (Writer Web) Master document -> Master documents (Writer Master) Spreadsheet -> Spreadsheets (Calc) Presentation -> Presentation (Impress) Drawing -> Drawings (Draw) Formula -> Formulas (Math) I'm open to any comments. [1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/151455
Oh! I am sure that we had a better idea of replacing this awful drop-down UI with something better, like tabbed or something.
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(In reply to Baole Fang from comment #5) > - Should we use plural form? Yes, please (applies to Presentations). > - Should we use all capital letters like you suggest in bug 118330? Yes, please (see also https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/UIWriting) > - What do we add from Master documents? Is Writer good enough? Yes, Master Documents are handled in Writer. (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #7) > Oh! I am sure that we had a better idea of replacing this awful drop-down UI > with something better, like tabbed or something. Minor issue, simple solution. Not many users will care about this option.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #9) > (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #7) > > Oh! I am sure that we had a better idea of replacing this awful drop-down UI > > with something better, like tabbed or something. > Minor issue, simple solution. Not many users will care about this option. I like the bold statements - even more when they are unfounded. https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/save-as-xlsx-pptx-files-by-default-with-calc-impress/40953 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/always-save-documents-as-doc/41643 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/default-save-for-calc-files/34051 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/windows-mandatory-profile-always-save-as-formats/37451 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/save-as-ms-office-format-by-default/1445 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/save-for-the-extension-docx-or-xlsx-by-default/8135 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-do-i-set-libreoffice-to-default-save-as-xml-when-installing-the-app-instead-of-after-i-install-it/26881 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/default-save-on-mso-format/2072 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-to-set-microsoft-files-as-default-extension-in-libreoffice-7-04/70601 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/msi-property-for-save-as-type/495 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/how-can-i-choose-a-default-export-filetype-for-libreoffice-draw/23626 https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/writer-how-do-i-make-doc-the-default-save-format/10593 ... just some of the questions on Ask, regarding the "Always save as". Pleaple use it, and get confused. But shrug.
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #10)> ... just some of the questions on Ask, regarding the "Always save as". > People use it, and get confused. Okay, good argument.
Baole Fang committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/9e92437cbb2180d51fdabc0d5efff24b530ba27a tdf#148756: Fix document type in option dialog It will be available in 7.6.0. The patch should be included in the daily builds available at https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.