Bug 150839 - View layout has no alternative access method
Summary: View layout has no alternative access method
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
(earliest affected)
Hardware: All All
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
Keywords: accessibility, difficultyMedium, easyHack, skillDesign, topicUI
: 160785 (view as bug list)
Depends on: UNO-Command-New 107343 109425
Blocks: Statusbar
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Reported: 2022-09-07 05:42 UTC by Heiko Tietze
Modified: 2024-04-23 09:04 UTC (History)
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Description Heiko Tietze 2022-09-07 05:42:27 UTC
The view layout offers single page, two-pages, and a book mode at the statusbar. Unfortunately we do not provide alternative methods to access it. This not only violates a11y but makes it also hard to understand for novice users.

In particular since the statusbar icons do not have any tooltip.
Comment 1 Heiko Tietze 2022-09-07 05:44:36 UTC
My proposal is to add a menu "Layout" or "Mode" under View just above Zoom and list the three commands there. It clearly violates the HIG and breaks the menu a11y for small screens. Ideally we hide (or rather move) some other items.
Comment 2 Roman Kuznetsov 2022-09-07 07:32:59 UTC
I would add submenu like this:

View -> 
        Pages ->
                 Single page view
                 Multiple pages view
                 Book view

And I would add it to top of the View menu like:

User interface
Comment 3 Heiko Tietze 2022-09-07 07:42:27 UTC
The tooltip shows up in master / 7.5 but not with 

Version: / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 40(Build:3)
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 5.19; UI render: default; VCL: kf5 (cairo+xcb)
Locale: de-DE (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

In fact no tooltip at all at the statusbar, toolbar and sidebar do have tips.
Comment 4 V Stuart Foote 2022-09-07 14:30:30 UTC
Had to read this a couple of times to realize you want to add an item to the Main menu. Not make a change to widget on the status bar, nor add it to the Options -> View panel.

The view state buttons on the status bar correspond to 3 views that have defined UNO actions:


respectively. So adding them to a menu is already simple and just need to decide placement and labeling. And maybe move the UNO for full screen: .uno:FullScreen onto this sub menu.

Better label than "View -> Pages" might be "View -> Layout".   Pages connotes the position in the document, while Layout would be the right meaning.

Also, on Windows builds at least, the Status bar *does* provide tool tips for every element on the status bar--except the thumb on the zoom slider.

And, what about MUFFIN? Where we've conveniently hidden the Main menu. And the controls remain silent to AT. 

And since you've cast this as an a11y issue, we have never resolved bug 107343--where F10, F6 and standard keyboard movements, shortcuts, and accelerators are integral to providing functional Assistive Technology. We also don't fire accessible events for the 

Otherwise +1, it is needed.
Comment 5 V Stuart Foote 2022-09-07 14:39:56 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 6 V Stuart Foote 2022-09-07 14:59:35 UTC
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)
 Sorry better finish that.

... accessible events for the Notebook bar bug 109425
Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2023-05-05 09:12:38 UTC
Let's do it. Code pointer in comment 4.
Comment 8 V Stuart Foote 2024-04-22 21:57:07 UTC
*** Bug 160785 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 9 V Stuart Foote 2024-04-22 22:03:02 UTC
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)

> defined UNO actions:
> .uno:ShowSinglePage
> .uno:ShowMultiplePages
> .uno:ShowBookview
> respectively.
Unfortunately looking at this again for dupe bug 160785, and these UNO are only for the Print Preview modes.

I was wrong, sorry!

Actual controls on the Status Bar UI are in viewlayoutctrl.cxx [1] and will need new UNO to implement.

But continue to think addition to the main View would be useful.
Comment 10 Eyal Rozenberg 2024-04-23 09:04:57 UTC
A little bike-shedding by the author of the dupe bug (i.e. me):

* I agree that this should be in a submenu of the View menu.

* I think "pages" is not a good submenu title. It's as though you're supposed to choose whether to view pages; or which pages to view. Perhaps something like "multi-page layout" or "Layout of pages" or "Viewport layout" or "Page placement". None of these are great, maybe you have a better idea

* I think the item titles should be a little more descriptive than with the bottom toolbar, because we don't have the icons to illustrate. So maybe "Single page per row", "Multiple pages per row" and "Book view".