Bug 72408 - Text areas in dialogs makes VoiceOver restart it self over and over
Summary: Text areas in dialogs makes VoiceOver restart it self over and over
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: UI (show other bugs)
(earliest affected) release
Hardware: Other macOS (All)
: medium normal
Assignee: Not Assigned
Whiteboard: BSA
Keywords: accessibility
: 74470 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: a11y-macOS
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Reported: 2013-12-06 17:22 UTC by Niklas Johansson
Modified: 2021-10-11 08:44 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Description Niklas Johansson 2013-12-06 17:22:45 UTC
Problem description: 
When you use VoiceOver with LibreOffice and open a dialog that contains a text field (with text) it will make VoiceOver "crash" and restart it self in an endless loop until you step away from the text field. Empty text fields seems to work ok. Accessibility Inspector seems to work ok with the text fields and reports them with the role AXTextArea. Other programs seem to use AXTextField which LibreOffice Accessibility does not have an equivalent for (at least not to my knowledge). Interestingly Combo boxes text area part does not show the same symptoms. 

Steps to reproduce:
1. Start Writer on a Mac
2. Start VoiceOver
3. Go to File -> Properties
4. Open the Description tab and type something in one of the text fields
5. Step away from the text field and then back again

Current behavior:
VoiceOver restarts it self

Expected behavior:
VoiceOver announces the control and then the text you entered. 
Operating System: Mac OS X
Version: release
Comment 1 V Stuart Foote 2013-12-17 15:04:04 UTC
@NIklas, could you check on a newer build. Boris did some NS Accessibility scrubbing that should be in place for 4.2.0 betas and master. Any improvement?
Comment 2 Niklas Johansson 2013-12-17 15:15:30 UTC
I checked again with a build of the 4.2 branch that I pulled and compiled this morning. Sorry to say that the issue is still present.
Comment 3 Alex Thurgood 2014-10-07 12:53:58 UTC
@Niklas : can you give me more details so I can try and reproduce ?
Comment 4 Niklas Johansson 2014-10-07 13:36:24 UTC
I guess it is the VoiceOver part that needs explaining, if not let me know what part of the steps that needs further explanation.

To start/stop VoiceOver use the key-combination Command+F5. If VoiceOver does not start press fn+Command+F5. It may be a good idea to take the tour (Learn more...-button) to learn a few basic commands if you are new to using VoiceOver. 

The most important key-combinations are 
ctrl+option+space    (perform the default action press buttons etc.)
ctrl+option+arrow key (move the VoiceOver-cursor)

You should however be able to just use the mouse and keyboard as usual to test the steps outlined in the first column. 

Note that typing something in the text field is important and it is first when you move back to the text field containing text that the weird behavior occurs. 

Just tried it with LibreOffice and the behavior is present but LibreOffice or VoiceOver seems to have gotten an update so it bails out after a reboot and puts focus on the first element in the dialog, in this case the tab CMIS-properties.
Comment 5 Niklas Johansson 2014-10-08 16:48:18 UTC
I noticed something new today. If I go to File -> Properties, select the tab Description and write more than one paragraph in the Comment text field, VoiceOver does not restart it self if I step away and then back again.
Comment 6 Buovjaga 2014-11-27 13:41:30 UTC
Info provided -> UNCONFIRMED.
Comment 7 Alex Thurgood 2014-12-01 14:31:09 UTC
Confirming also on OSX 10.10.1 and LO 4341
Comment 8 Alex Thurgood 2014-12-01 14:34:40 UTC
The problem of looping also occurs in the name field of the properties dialog where the default name 'Untitled' is displayed.
Comment 9 Buovjaga 2015-06-20 11:12:19 UTC
*** Bug 74470 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 10 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2016-09-13 07:15:30 UTC
Has the situation changed in the 2 years with a new version of libreoffice or mac os x.
Comment 11 Alex Thurgood 2016-09-15 12:22:33 UTC
No change with

Build ID: 31dd62db80d4e60af04904455ec9c9219178d620
Threads CPU : 8; Version de l'OS :Mac OS X 10.11.6; UI Render : par défaut; 
Locale : fr-FR (fr.UTF-8); Calc: group
Comment 12 Xisco Faulí 2017-09-29 08:47:58 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 13 majd 2019-10-10 19:30:21 UTC
Just tested on 
- macOS 10.15
- LibreOffice

If I select multiple paragraphs, only the paragraph selected last is read (not the last paragraph in the selection). 


Paragraph 1. 

Paragraph 2. 

Paragraph 3.

Placing the cursor at "Paragraph 1" and selecting down to "Paragraph 3" will read only paragraph 3. 

Starting the selecting at "Paragraph 3" and selecting up to "Paragraph 1" will read only paragraph 1.
Comment 14 QA Administrators 2021-10-10 03:44:26 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 15 steve 2021-10-11 08:44:43 UTC
Version: / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 87b77fad49947c1441b67c559c339af8f3517e22
CPU threads: 8; OS: Mac OS X 10.16; UI render: default; VCL: osx
Locale: de-DE (en_DE.UTF-8); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

Worksforme - not sure if macOS changes or LO changes resolved this problem though.