Libreoffice 184.108.40.206 is blocking the launch of Siri of Mac OS 10.9.4.
I can't edit a dictation anymore.
Seems the keyboard strokes to start Siri (which is a double "fn" key by default, but others don't work either) is not passed to the OS?
This is new in 4.3 - 4.2.5 works like it should.
Looks like we have a 4.2 - 4.3 bibisect repo for the Mac:
Uwe -- Have you tried bibisecting before? I'd be happy to help you set up the repo and get started :-)
I'n not a coder so this won't bring us far :-)
Hi Uwe and Detlef,
can we please have exact reproduce steps? The bug provides much too little info to make anything useful of it.
There is NO siri on OSX. That thing is called "Dictation". So we should not call it Siri. Siri is on iOS.
Next, testing: From what I see, dictation is not supported in LO. I press the keyboard command I've set in System prefs > Dictation and get the "negative" audio bump notice.
In word I get the "positive" audio bump and can dictate and hit "done" when finished.
So setting this to ENHANCEMENT.
please excuse my english. It is difficult for me to talk sophisticated and exact. And I don't want to offend anybody and I only want announce a bug.
Bug 81759 talks about speech Editor you can use with MAC OS 10.9.4. I called the speech editor "Siri", because it is the same speech editor you have in IOS.
On time being, it seems Apple does not opens all the backgrounds of Siri.
To demonstrate how this speech editor works please look in "you tube" where David A. Cox "pages 5 full tutorial" from minutes 7:50 to minutes 8:12
In some ways you may be right you can work with this function of OS X 10.9.4 only, if you enables this feature in preferences / dictation.
By default (Germany) you have to stroke "fn" twice. After that: a tone is to hear and a microphone shows up on the screen. You get a signal to start the speech editor (dictation) and you can stop the speech editor (dictation) by mouse click on the microphone.
This may be it with the MAC OS X 10.9.4. in principal, savvy.
No about Libreoffice (LO).
We work with LO 220.127.116.11 on our Apple devices for the time being, because the speech editor is working fine with LO like David demonstrated it with pages of appleoffice.
The speech editor does not work any more with LO Version since LO 4.3. I hear a tone but the Microphone does not show up on the screen anymore.
I run also the version LO 18.104.22.168 on windows 7 (Microsoft) over VM-ware "parallels" on my MAC. And "Siri" works fine.
It seems the Mac version of LO 4.3 has an regression.
Am 11.09.2014 um 16:58 schrieb firstname.lastname@example.org:
> foss changed bug 81759
> What Removed Added
> CC email@example.com
> You are receiving this mail because:
> You reported the bug.
Detlef, thanks a lot for taking the time to properly describe this problem. Your english is perfect. Please only reply online (and not via mail).
So if you say it is working in 4.2, I can confirm it is not working in 22.214.171.124 which I have installed. Never used this with 4.2 so didn't know it did once indeed work.
Nightly from today also does not work with OSX dictation.
Build ID: 4d3c88805d1917932ee88a0f22ae93c43e8e389a
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-09-11_11:22:41
Adding "regression" Keyword and confirming. Now let's wait for someone to bibisect this (OSX instructions seem to be missing?) and then the dev team to fix this.
This may be related to the crappy media support we now have in LO on OSX (or not).
Not necessary, as reported here it worked well until 4.2.5 and 4.2.6. btw: this bug reporting tool is by no means meant for bashing "the developers" or someone else, so keep calm.
In 4.3.2 at least the double "fn" keypress ist recognized by the OS - but results in a "sad" sound (system error sound). It is the same sound as when you try to start a dictation where no text entry is possible (e. g. Console). So maybe dictation can not recognise writer as a receiver for text typing?
(In reply to comment #8)
At least LO doesn't crash, unlike the poor guy using Dragon Dictate on OSX ;-)
My cooment in relation to media support is that we moved from the old deprecated media framework API in 4.2 to the new AVMedia API in 4.3 and perhaps this has had an impact on media input support ?
(in reply to comment 9)
Alex you are running my bug report down. I am not amused over your talk about SIRI. You are forgetting handicapped persons. Even if this handicap lasts only a short time. And I do not wish you broken fingers. In this case you would be happy over a working SIRI. So please go on working to solve that problem.
Setting component to LibreOffice, not quite sure why it was set to Basic
(In reply to detlefscloud from comment #10)
> (in reply to comment 9)
> Alex you are running my bug report down. I am not amused over your talk
> about SIRI. You are forgetting handicapped persons. Even if this handicap
> lasts only a short time. And I do not wish you broken fingers. In this case
> you would be happy over a working SIRI. So please go on working to solve
I have a professional interest in being able to dictate into LibreOffice, so please don't tell me I'm forgetting others.
My point is : changes occurred during 4.2.x to 4.3 in the code that related both to accessibility and the media framework. Some of these changes could be responsible for VoiceOver no longer working in 4.3, but I don't know whether VoiceOver relies on the newly implemented AVFoundation code that we now use for our media support.
thank you for your last comment. Now I made new trials and want to give a hint.
I can start LO Version: 126.96.36.199 on my iMac (now OS X 10.10) over the VM ware Parallels with windows 7. And if I do so Siri is working. The question is, how is para working. Is the newly implemented AVFoundation code for Mac-Version and Windows-Version the same code? Are there distinctions?
(In reply to detlefscloud from comment #13)
> I can start LO Version: 188.8.131.52 on my iMac (now OS X 10.10) over the VM ware
> Parallels with windows 7. And if I do so Siri is working. The question is,
> how is para working. Is the newly implemented AVFoundation code for
> Mac-Version and Windows-Version the same code? Are there distinctions?
Unfortunately, I have no idea.
The new 4.2.7 version also shows ths misbehaviour. So the last LO version with working dictation is 4.2.6.
Maybe this eases the pin down of the code concerned?
Just installed 4.2.8 - everything works perfect again! Hope this finds its way into 4.3 also.
Thanks a lot to whoever fixed that :-)
dictation functionality is basic and important functionality. raising importance. also very interesting it is working in 4.2.8 and was restored for the 4.2 branch without any specific commit. would be great to move this forward.
Correcting Uwe's observation:
4.2.7: working as well
Build ID: 933c0aa564ec4f8883ed5732c866db48dca4dac5
(In reply to Uwe Altmann from comment #15)
> The new 4.2.7 version also shows ths misbehaviour. So the last LO version
> with working dictation is 4.2.6.
(In reply to foss from comment #18)
> Correcting Uwe's observation:
> 4.2.8: working
> [184.108.40.206]: working as well
So I see a couple possibilities here:
1) Uwe is in error and 4.2.7 is working properly
2) 4.2.7 is working on foss' machine, but not on Uwe's
3) Inconsistency of repro steps
Foss: What version of OS X are you using to test?
So I have just tried this with LO 4341 on OSX 10.10.1 and dictation in a Writer document works for me.
Seems like this bug, if still present, is limited to OSX 10.9
@Uwe: please try with LO 4341 and report back. Setting to needinfo until we hear back from OP, otherwise I'll change title to indicate that osx 10.9 only or set to wfm
Sorry, I meant Detlef.
This is NEW since it is reproducible for me under 10.10.1 with 4.4b2 and 4.5 nightly.
Thus also not 10.9 only.
Sorry, I was wrong on 4.2.7 - it's also working well. So it is restricted to 4.3 series only.
I'm using MacOS 10.9.5
Confirming on OSX 10.9.5 MBPro 2011
For me, this is only reproducible on OSX 10.9.x
Thank you Alex for your work on bug 81759!
I am using: LO Version: 220.127.116.11
OS X Yosemite Version 10.10.1
I have no success using dictation as so far.
As Uwe lastly reported dictation works with the same OS X 10.1 and LO 4.2 series on the iMac of my wife. Therefor she is still using LO 4.2.7
- Enable Dictation
(Apple) -> System Preferences -> Dictation & Speech -> Dictation: On
- Use Enhanced Dictation (requires ~800MB download)
- Start LibreOffice Writer and try to start dictation
(Press 'Fn' key twice (or whatever keystroke you've set up))
- LO 18.104.22.168 works correctly
- Bug CONFIRMED with LO 22.214.171.124.beta2 -- I only hear the 'ding' prompt
Testing on OSX 10.9.4
(In reply to detlefscloud from comment #0)
> Libreoffice 126.96.36.199 is blocking the launch of Siri of Mac OS 10.9.4.
> I can't edit a dictation anymore.
Testing on OSX 10.9.4:
- NOREPRO with 188.8.131.52.beta1
- CONFIRMED with 184.108.40.206
There are only 610 commits between the tags for libreoffice-220.127.116.11.beta1..libreoffice-18.104.22.168
Foss: it sounds like you see the same behavior. We can narrow the # of commits down by bisecting using the handful of builds between the two:
I get working dictation at both ends of the existing OSX bibisect repo, so unfortunately this is not bibisectable
From scanning the commits in the above range, I think this one is a strong candidate - NSTextInputClient is directly related to dictation
Author: Tor Lillqvist <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Tue Jun 3 09:04:45 2014 +0300
Initial attempt at implementing NSTextInputClient instead of NSTextInput
NSTextInput was deprecated in 10.6.
Manually reverting 179334dd45828d02e4e323cbdda435963fa3f4a5 gives working dictation again on current master. Obviously that's not an actual solution because the commit removed the use of a long deprecated API
Adding Cc: to email@example.com
I can confirm this is still an issue to at least the general public who would probably download from just the main installer link. I also had the issue on 22.214.171.124. My current install is Version: 126.96.36.199
Build ID: de093506bcdc5fafd9023ee680b8c60e3e0645d7
Running on OSX 10.10.2 on a MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013)
I'd be happy to work through a bibisect if desired, but I've never done that before. Only a hobbyist as far as code goes.
Adjusting Whiteboard and Keywords to indicate that the commit in question has already been identified (in comment 31)
Still not working in LO 4.4.1 in Mac OS 10.10.2 :-(
(In reply to Matthew Francis from comment #34)
> Adjusting Whiteboard and Keywords to indicate that the commit in question
> has already been identified (in comment 31)
Adding bisected commit to Summary so that QA can see at a glance
OSX system Dictation still not working on 5.0b1 on OS X 10.10.3 (as well as not on 188.8.131.52 on same system).
Last time I tried, it was working fairly well in Writer. Most of the problems seemed to be with Dictation itself rather than with its interface with LibreOffice.
Nope. Still broken.
Build ID: 799cc41b53a59c543408fa5370e107c2c57a2904
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86_64@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2015-07-08_05:50:48
Locale: de-DE (de.UTF-8)
Just hearing the low "ping" to indicate dictation did not start. When doing the same in MS Word, hearing the high ping and dication starts and works as expected.
*** Bug 93035 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Still not working on LO50RC4 on OSX.
Is this the only possiblity that LO changed? Maybe something within the Apple Dictation system changed and requires change of LO code?
shortened summary notes. you already have version field and regression keyword to tell which is the earlies version affected
Working as expected with LO 184.108.40.206 under OS 10.11 aka El Capitan. Don't ask why :-/
Most interesting. Verified this is working with
LO Version: 220.127.116.11.alpha1+
Build ID: f99743efece35bf1024a833ad0220a723b33256e
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86_64@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2015-10-10_05:30:25
Locale: de-DE (de.UTF-8)
*** Bug 96144 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I know we are have set this Resolved WFM, and Verified it.
But, could folks please take a moment and recheck use of OS X Dictation (online and enhanced). Where are things with the 18.104.22.168 release and current 5.1.0beta?
Is the NSTextInputClient support solid for folks on 10.10.5 Yosemite and 10.11.1 El Capitan--and what of the 10.9.5 Mavericks users is anyone functional with Dictation?
I sent in a ticket a long with a video showing the use of both, still not working in 5.3
(In reply to Greg from comment #47)
> I sent in a ticket a long with a video showing the use of both, still not
> working in 5.3
Yes that was bug 96144, where @Greg reports he is on Mavericks 10.9.4 and no functional Apple Dictation capability with LO 22.214.171.124 --neither on-line nor enhanced local.
Migrating Whiteboard tags to Keywords: (bibisected, a11y -> accessibility)
Mac OS X Dictation doesn't work for me, either with the latest LibreOffice Stable 5.0.6 or with LibreOffice Evolution 5.1.3 and the latest Mac OS X version 10.11.4 (El Capitan). For what it's worth, my language is set to french, but I tested both LibreOffice before and after applying the langage pack, to no effect.
However, Dictation works like a charm with Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 (same computer). I did not realize that OpenOffice was still in development : this nasty bug made me reconsider using Apache OpenOffice and dumping LibreOffice.
If you are happy with Apache OpenOffice, good for you! We don't get offended if you use it.
(In reply to Benoît RIVET from comment #50)
> However, Dictation works like a charm with Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 (same
> computer). I did not realize that OpenOffice was still in development : this
> nasty bug made me reconsider using Apache OpenOffice and dumping LibreOffice.
Well we won't debate if it is in development, but Apache OpenOffice is certainly still using the deprecated NSTextInput API that was deprecated at OS X 10.6 That it works there is an Apple issue. Good luck.
This issue though was resolved fixed as working for a large number of folks on OS X 10.11.1 (El Capitan). No reports of support for OS X 10.9 (Mavericks), and not clear if things were OK for OS X 10.10 (Yosemite) builds.
Sure we could have some new or unresolved issues with implementation of NSTextInputClient done in June 2014--but more likely it is changes in OS X.
If folks that have had it working on OS X 10.11.(1+) start reporting it is now broken that is a new bug and we really need full details.
Unsing El Capitan 10.11.4
Just tested dictation for 5.1.2 again - working like expected. 4.4.7 is fine as is 4.3.7. So for me it's resolved since 4.3.2.something.
We still don't know the fixing commit, so WFM :)
To avoid confusion: this feature works as expected in 10.11.4 and
Build ID: ee5850893e15acda1d7ce7cf17da7c80f2fa810a
CPU Threads: 4; OS Version: Mac OS X 10.11.4; UI Render: default;
TinderBox: MacOSX-x86_64@49-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2016-05-06_00:59:44
Locale: de-DE (de.UTF-8)
Created attachment 125045 [details]
Preferences and Application Support
After trashing these Preferences and Application support files, Dictation started working for me (whereas it did not before...).
zip file of the ~/Library files trashed, recovered with Time Machine.
(In reply to Benoît RIVET from comment #56)
> Created attachment 125045 [details]
> Preferences and Application Support
> After trashing these Preferences and Application support files, Dictation
> started working for me (whereas it did not before...).
> zip file of the ~/Library files trashed, recovered with Time Machine.
I forgot to thank you for taking time to work on this nasty bug : I was really pissed off when I discovered that Dictation would not work on my computer (and on another laptop of mine), and I could not understand why you claimed it worked for you. After I reopened the bug, since you answered me that everything was fine for you, I decided I should give it another try... and Dictation finally worked after I trashed the aforementioned files.
Maybe this workaround should be explained somewhere in the LibreOffice FAQ (including how to access ~/Library files...)
Anyway, thank you for wishing me good luck with Apache OpenOffice ;-)
Benoit: welcome to add this as known issue to the wiki. that is open for anybody to edit.