Created attachment 106542 [details] What SimSun looks like on OS X. Problem description: The current default font for LibreOffice Chinese UI, SimSun, is extremely bad for displaying. SimSun has a lot of characteristics that made it a bad choice for UI, especially for HI-DPI devices and newer Windows with ClearType and Microsoft YaHei: 1. SimSun is a serif font. Using it for the UI looks really strange. 2. SimSun is a monospace font. Looks strange, too. 3. SimSun works well only with the sizes included in its bitmap, and even that kind of 'works well' is not satisfactory compared to sans-serif fonts. (I don't have a copy of Windows XP now, but perhaps I will upload an image of SimSun's bitmap in wine later. The rendering in OS X wine by default looks quite like Windows XP's.) 4. There are alternatives for SimSun on all these platforms. Just using the default UI font can be better. Steps to reproduce: 1. Just Open LibreOffice. Current behavior: Using Simsun. Expected behavior: Use some sans-serif fonts with some kinds of fallback, or just follow system default. Operating System: All Version: 4.2.1.1 release
LibreOffice seems to be using MSYH on Windows 8.1. This should be an OS-X-specific problem.
@András: In order to fix this, should we just remove “SimSun” from the fallback font lists?
For me, with version 4.3.3.1, by default "Tools - Options - LibreOffice - Use system font for user interface" is enabled. With this option enabled the UI font is "Microsoft Yahei" in Windows 7. When disable this option, LibreOffice start center seems using SimSun in my system. So to solve this problem, we should set the UI font fall back list as: Microsoft Yahei Wenquanyi Zenhei Wenquanyi MicroHei ... SimSun (this is the last choice)
Kevin Suo forgot Hiragano Sans GB. It should be a nice UI Font for OS X, although OS X System Apps uses Heiti SC, a font sometimes too thin for a UI Font.
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Hmm. I guess I can get access to a Mac in a week…
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Reproduced with LibO 5.4.1.2 on Microsoft Windows 10, build 17074, with an en-US OS and manually specified zh-CN interface+locale too. The good news is that this time it at least *attempted* to go Sans -- the latin characters like "Writer" are in a Sans, with the rest in the bad ultrathin serif called SimSun. (Yes, Windows GDI is really *that* bad when it comes to font fallbacks.) For Modern Windows (> Vista) I am expecting LibreOffice to use stuff like Microsoft YaHei UI (zh-CN) or Microsoft Jhenghei UI (zh-TW), both of which are decent modern Sans fonts used in Windows's UI. I think you are already doing something like that for Writer's default fonts. * * * I can't say much about OO on macOS because it actually takes someone to add SimSun to the list to break it. The Windows part of the problem, on the other hand, is more likely inherited because you will always need to explicitly tame GDI+.
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This has changed for a long time, see <node oor:name="zh-cn" oor:op="replace"> in file officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu, and see the commit 2d1b5ecdf81d19993f2d9dd4f07521361fac4570, commit 16700331da2087bbb53c1774605cef2d0411206a etc. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 137393 ***