In Tools > Options > Writer > Formatting Aids, Hidden Text is disabled by default which isnt a good usability to force users to enable this when they can easily hide text in the Character dialog and have no means to unhide it.
Or have toggle in the view menu like for hidden paragraphs?
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1) > Or have toggle in the view menu like for hidden paragraphs? As we dont have separate toggles for other options that become visible with toggling formatting marks, i dont think it would be good to do that, especially as it would increase the already full View menu.
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #0) > In Tools > Options > Writer > Formatting Aids, Hidden Text is disabled by > default which isnt a good usability to force users to enable this when they > can easily hide text in the Character dialog and have no means to unhide it. the opposite: I set this text hidden, and it's still there.. what a bug !
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3) > the opposite: I set this text hidden, and it's still there.. what a bug ! So a control on the tab 'text effect' leading to the visibility setting in options maybe?
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3) > the opposite: I set this text hidden, and it's still there.. what a bug ! Only visible if you have formatting marks on, which is a mode to see hidden characters. (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #4) > So a control on the tab 'text effect' leading to the visibility setting in > options maybe? Placing a checkbox in 'text effect' to toggle the option in the options dialog wont do anything unless formatting marks is enabled. Spoke with Cor on IRC and he isnt for enabling the checkbox by default. @Stuart, @Heiko, @Sophie: What are your thoughts?
I see the issue, was kind of torn... but stay with status quo: if hiding text with the font effect, it should by default be hidden on canvas. But to help the Benjamin user to keep from "losing" text, as with Cor in comment 4, I think rather than by default enabling the "Display of" check-box for "Hidden text", there should be some note on the "Character" dialog that visibility of "Hidden" check-box is controlled by Writer's Formatting Aids.
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #5) > @Stuart, @Heiko, @Sophie: What are your thoughts? I still don't get the "hidden" aspect. In bug 102346 comment 4 Regina explains the feature as non-printable information. But then it makes no sense to _hide_ the text at all in the editor.
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7) > I still don't get the "hidden" aspect. In bug 102346 comment 4 Regina > explains the feature as non-printable information. But then it makes no > sense to _hide_ the text at all in the editor. A lot of use other than sending to printer... It allows you to have a single document with two viewing modes--fully exposed (i.e. any hidden text showing) and details suppressed. So great for interactive instruction--test & key, memorization exercises Q & A--think Flash Cards--, games of trivia, document annotation and research notes.
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #6) > I see the issue, was kind of torn... but stay with status quo: if hiding > text with the font effect, it should by default be hidden on canvas. It is by default hidden on canvas, it only becomes visible if formatting marks are enabled, or is that also not hidden by default in your view? > But to help the Benjamin user to keep from "losing" text, as with Cor in > comment 4, I think rather than by default enabling the "Display of" > check-box for "Hidden text", there should be some note on the "Character" > dialog that visibility of "Hidden" check-box is controlled by Writer's > Formatting Aids. I'm not a benjamin user, and doubt benjamin users would hide text or turn on formatting marks, and even i was confused why enabling formatting marks didnt unhide the hidden text, when this was normal behaviour in MS, WPS, Abiword, etc when hidden text is dependant on the enablement of formatting marks. In Wordperfect, hidden text is independant from formatting marks, so it has a toggle entry in the View menu for showing and hiding. This suggestion is for eve level users, so maybe the best solution if it isnt on by default is to go the Wordperfect route and decouple it from formatting marks and have an entry for it in the View menu.
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #9) > ... suggestion is for eve level users, so maybe the best solution if it isnt on > by default is to go the Wordperfect route and decouple it from formatting > marks and have an entry for it in the View menu. OK with me, and that was Regina's suggestion in Comment 1
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #10) > OK with me, and that was Regina's suggestion in Comment 1 Yes she suggested to have an entry in the View menu, but not decoupling it from formatting marks. On a separate note, does anyone know why 'Fields: Hidden Paragraphs' is enabled by default and not 'Fields: Hidden Text'?
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> enabling formatting marks didn't unhide the hidden text, when this was normal behaviour in MS, WPS, Abiword, etc when hidden text is dependant on the enablement of formatting marks. Since hidden text is so commonly coupled with formatting marks (and workflows) if it is decoupled an option should allow it to be coupled again and toggled with the Formatting Marks Command.
We should either have that, or have an explicit toggle menu item / toolbar button for hidden text visibility toggle.
Created attachment 190011 [details] showFormattingHiddenCharacters.oxt: extension that sets NonprintingCharacters show HiddenCharacter A setting configuration extension easily allows an administrator to changes to the desired setting for those who want something opposite of the status quo.
FYI: Display of hidden text was made the only choice for LOKit with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/157562. If this default ever changes to default to enabled, that patch can be reverted.
(In reply to Justin L from comment #16) > If this default ever changes to default to enabled, that patch can be > reverted. The patch has already been reverted. Turns out that it is really bad during collaboration for SOME people to see text with hidden content and others to not be seeing hidden content.