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Bug 107658 - Display of hidden text when toggling formatting marks should be enabled by default
Summary: Display of hidden text when toggling formatting marks should be enabled by de...
Status: NEW
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Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
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Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
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Blocks: Options-Dialog Formatting-Mark Font-Effects
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Reported: 2017-05-06 12:06 UTC by Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired)
Modified: 2018-05-16 15:25 UTC (History)
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Description Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-06 12:06:16 UTC
In Tools > Options > Writer > Formatting Aids, Hidden Text is disabled by default which isnt a good usability to force users to enable this when they can easily hide text in the Character dialog and have no means to unhide it.
Comment 1 Regina Henschel 2017-05-06 13:43:19 UTC
Or have toggle in the view menu like for hidden paragraphs?
Comment 2 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-07 16:26:09 UTC
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #1)
> Or have toggle in the view menu like for hidden paragraphs?

As we dont have separate toggles for other options that become visible with toggling formatting marks, i dont think it would be good to do that, especially as it would increase the already full View menu.
Comment 3 Cor Nouws 2017-05-08 15:31:37 UTC
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #0)
> In Tools > Options > Writer > Formatting Aids, Hidden Text is disabled by
> default which isnt a good usability to force users to enable this when they
> can easily hide text in the Character dialog and have no means to unhide it.

the opposite: I set this text hidden, and it's still there.. what a bug !
Comment 4 Cor Nouws 2017-05-08 15:34:05 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3)

> the opposite: I set this text hidden, and it's still there.. what a bug !

So a control on the tab 'text effect' leading to the visibility setting in options maybe?
Comment 5 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-08 16:50:30 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #3)
> the opposite: I set this text hidden, and it's still there.. what a bug !

Only visible if you have formatting marks on, which is a mode to see hidden characters.

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #4)
> So a control on the tab 'text effect' leading to the visibility setting in
> options maybe?

Placing a checkbox in 'text effect' to toggle the option in the options dialog wont do anything unless formatting marks is enabled.

Spoke with Cor on IRC and he isnt for enabling the checkbox by default.

@Stuart, @Heiko, @Sophie: What are your thoughts?
Comment 6 V Stuart Foote 2017-05-08 18:01:36 UTC
I see the issue, was kind of torn... but stay with status quo: if hiding text with the font effect, it should by default be hidden on canvas.

But to help the Benjamin user to keep from "losing" text, as with Cor in comment 4, I think rather than by default enabling the "Display of" check-box for "Hidden text", there should be some note on the "Character" dialog that visibility of "Hidden" check-box is controlled by Writer's Formatting Aids.
Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2017-05-08 19:06:05 UTC
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #5)
> @Stuart, @Heiko, @Sophie: What are your thoughts?

I still don't get the "hidden" aspect. In bug 102346 comment 4 Regina explains the feature as non-printable information. But then it makes no sense to _hide_ the text at all in the editor.
Comment 8 V Stuart Foote 2017-05-08 21:46:35 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7)

> I still don't get the "hidden" aspect. In bug 102346 comment 4 Regina
> explains the feature as non-printable information. But then it makes no
> sense to _hide_ the text at all in the editor.

A lot of use other than sending to printer...

It allows you to have a single document with two viewing modes--fully exposed (i.e. any hidden text showing) and details suppressed.  

So great for interactive instruction--test & key,  memorization exercises Q & A--think Flash Cards--, games of trivia, document annotation and research notes.
Comment 9 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-08 21:58:39 UTC
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #6)
> I see the issue, was kind of torn... but stay with status quo: if hiding
> text with the font effect, it should by default be hidden on canvas.

It is by default hidden on canvas, it only becomes visible if formatting marks are enabled, or is that also not hidden by default in your view?

> But to help the Benjamin user to keep from "losing" text, as with Cor in
> comment 4, I think rather than by default enabling the "Display of"
> check-box for "Hidden text", there should be some note on the "Character"
> dialog that visibility of "Hidden" check-box is controlled by Writer's
> Formatting Aids.

I'm not a benjamin user, and doubt benjamin users would hide text or turn on formatting marks, and even i was confused why enabling formatting marks didnt unhide the hidden text, when this was normal behaviour in MS, WPS, Abiword, etc when hidden text is dependant on the enablement of formatting marks. In Wordperfect, hidden text is independant from formatting marks, so it has a toggle entry in the View menu for showing and hiding. This suggestion is for eve level users, so maybe the best solution if it isnt on by default is to go the Wordperfect route and decouple it from formatting marks and have an entry for it in the View menu.
Comment 10 V Stuart Foote 2017-05-08 22:14:00 UTC
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #9)

> ... suggestion is for eve level users, so maybe the best solution if it isnt on
> by default is to go the Wordperfect route and decouple it from formatting
> marks and have an entry for it in the View menu.

OK with me, and that was Regina's suggestion in Comment 1
Comment 11 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2017-05-09 12:14:23 UTC
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #10)
> OK with me, and that was Regina's suggestion in Comment 1

Yes she suggested to have an entry in the View menu, but not decoupling it from formatting marks.

On a separate note, does anyone know why 'Fields: Hidden Paragraphs' is enabled by default and not 'Fields: Hidden Text'?