Bug 135813 - UI: The relation of setting page break/page style inside paragraph dialog is source for confusion
Summary: UI: The relation of setting page break/page style inside paragraph dialog is ...
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
7.1.0.0.alpha0+
Hardware: All All
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Keywords: needsUXEval
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Blocks: Writer-Page-Break
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Reported: 2020-08-16 21:26 UTC by Telesto
Modified: 2020-12-18 17:23 UTC (History)
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Description Telesto 2020-08-16 21:26:08 UTC
Description:
UI: The relation of setting page break/page style inside paragraph dialog is source for confusion

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open attachment 164350 [details]
2. Place the cursor at top of page 2
3. Format -> Paragraph -> text flow -> Breaks is checked with page style etc
4. Place cursor on page 2 above the image
5. Format -> Paragraph -> text flow -> Breaks (is unchecked)
6. Check the checkbox, choose a page style.. 


Actual Results:
Breaks is unchecked. After checking text moves to next page with new page style

Expected Results:
From my point of view should the whole Text flow break stuff not being inside the paragraph dialog, but only accessed from the blue page break bar. This being depended on the top paragraph is evilly confusing. 

Especially related because of the page style setting attached to the paragraph. Which I would attach to the page - so page break - not paragraph. 

I really don't see a connect between page style setting & paragraph. If I want to insert a page break I press CTRL+ENTER (not needing a Text flow "insert page break' check box). I happily set the page style stuff in the special dialog dedicated to 'blue page break bar'. 


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Version: 7.1.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: <buildversion>
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: nl-NL (nl_NL); UI: en-US
Calc: CL
Comment 1 Heiko Tietze 2020-09-14 14:59:26 UTC
What input do you expect from UX given the large number of ticket around "confusion"?

135802 Page style setting confusing
135807 
Paragraph style changed to Landscape after double clicking page style in sidebar
135813 UI: The relation of setting page break/page style inside paragraph dialog is source for confusion
(and likely some more)
Comment 2 Justin L 2020-12-18 17:23:19 UTC
These bug reports just need to be closed. Ultimately, the human needs to learn the tool they are using.

This works exactly how it should. When you press Ctrl-Enter, you are on a specific paragraph, and are setting properties on that specific paragraph. Of course it has to be applied to a paragraph - where else can the start-the-new-page-here be attached to?

And of course, a page style change has to begin at/define a page break. That is why Insert - manual break - page break with page style exists, which is how I would imagine most users would handle a page style change. It is nice, easy to find in the menus and is exactly where you find the regular page break.