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Bug 45589 - Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document
Summary: Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Writer (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
Inherited From OOo
Hardware: All All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords: needsDevEval, topicUI
: 46998 89568 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: Writer-UX Bookmarks
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Reported: 2012-02-03 04:36 UTC by Gilvan Vilarim
Modified: 2019-10-20 07:35 UTC (History)
10 users (show)

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text document with bookmarks (8.95 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2012-03-16 07:54 UTC, sasha.libreoffice
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bookmarks in ms word (9.86 KB, image/png)
2015-09-08 11:16 UTC, Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired)
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ms Word book mark representation (100.34 KB, image/png)
2019-10-20 05:49 UTC, zionoto
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Description Gilvan Vilarim 2012-02-03 04:36:07 UTC
Writer should let the user see where are text bookmarks. Bookmarks could be treated as non-printable characters. When user clicked on the "pi" button, there could be some kind of visual effect to show bookmarks inside the document, just like tabs and paragraphs.

Best regards,
Gilvan.
Comment 1 sasha.libreoffice 2012-03-16 07:54:53 UTC
Created attachment 58563 [details]
text document with bookmarks
Comment 2 sasha.libreoffice 2012-03-16 07:59:54 UTC
I agree that some indicator that bookmark is in text would be useful.
Comment 3 Gilvan Vilarim 2014-05-13 01:58:39 UTC
You can see bookmarks with the Navigator (F5 key), but you do not know which part of text contains a bookmark (unless you click on the bookmark itself).

A visual symbol would be useful, just like annotations.

Best regards,
Gilvan.
Comment 4 Björn Michaelsen 2015-07-05 07:14:34 UTC
*** Bug 89568 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 5 Björn Michaelsen 2015-07-05 07:15:44 UTC
*** Bug 46998 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 6 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2015-09-08 08:38:42 UTC
Dont think that it would be good to tie it in with non-printable characters, as we would want this feature on by default and not all users toggle the "pi" button. Google Docs is the only word processor that shows bookmarks and it does so in the margins, similar to how we show line numbers (attachment 113660 [details]).
Comment 7 Cor Nouws 2015-09-08 09:09:32 UTC
Hi Jay,

(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #6)
> Dont think that it would be good to tie it in with non-printable characters,
> as we would want this feature on by default and not all users toggle the
> "pi" button.

Users are pretty keen on being able to handle settings for e.g. showing page margins apart from non printable characters. I could imagine the same with bookmarks? 

Say  Options > Writer > Formatting Aids ... Display of: [ ] Bookmarks

(For me, it's no problem to have it combined with no printable characters.)

> Google Docs is the only word processor that shows bookmarks and

From what I remember Word had a setting to to show bookmarks.

> it does so in the margins, similar to how we show line numbers (attachment
> 113660 [details]).

In the text is the only thing that makes sense, IMO. Bookmarks can be single points and selections. Bookmarks are (also) used to mark pieces in the text for referencing, filling, ... So only an indicator in the margin, would not help.
Comment 8 Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) 2015-09-08 11:16:14 UTC
Created attachment 118519 [details]
bookmarks in ms word

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #7)
> Hi Jay,

Hi Cor,

> Users are pretty keen on being able to handle settings for e.g. showing page
> margins apart from non printable characters. I could imagine the same with
> bookmarks? 

Yes it should be a setting configurable by itself.

> Say  Options > Writer > Formatting Aids ... Display of: [ ] Bookmarks

Yes that would be a good place for it in the Options dialog, but it should also be in the View menu.

> From what I remember Word had a setting to to show bookmarks.

Yes you are correct that Word has it, but it isnt on by default and you have to go into its options dialog to turn it on. I've attached a screenshot of how it looks when its bookmarked at the beginning and end of a line as well as on a selection.

> In the text is the only thing that makes sense, IMO. Bookmarks can be single
> points and selections. Bookmarks are (also) used to mark pieces in the text
> for referencing, filling, ... So only an indicator in the margin, would not
> help.

Placing it in the text would cause it to mix with other stuff, e.g. comments, and would result in it not looking good, i assume thats why its turned off by default in ms word. Also bookmarks in html documents can only be positioned at the beginning of a line. The main point of the marker in the margin would be to let you know that there is a bookmark on that line. Never used bookmarks before trying them out in google docs and presentation of it was very user friendly and quite easy to understand.
Comment 9 Cor Nouws 2015-09-08 12:15:08 UTC
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #8)
> Yes that would be a good place for it in the Options dialog, but it should
> also be in the View menu.

Good :)


> Yes you are correct that Word has it, but it isnt on by default and you have
> to go into its options dialog to turn it on. I've attached a screenshot of

Indeed, well hidden ;)

> Placing it in the text would cause it to mix with other stuff, e.g.
> comments, and would result in it not looking good, i assume thats why its
> turned off by default in ms word.

yes...

> Also bookmarks in html documents can only
> be positioned at the beginning of a line.

... ok..

> The main point of the marker in
> the margin would be to let you know that there is a bookmark on that line.

No  :)

> Never used bookmarks before trying them out in google docs and presentation
> of it was very user friendly and quite easy to understand.

In business (templates mostly) bookmarks may be used frequent for reasons that I mentioned. And then the exact position does matter. I you are editing in a line and need to be careful for a bookmark, it's nice to know were it is.

Still, a indicator in the margin is better than nothing, of course.
Comment 10 Manuel Lopez-Ibanez 2015-10-20 14:09:29 UTC
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #9)
> (In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #8)
> > Never used bookmarks before trying them out in google docs and presentation
> > of it was very user friendly and quite easy to understand.
> 
> In business (templates mostly) bookmarks may be used frequent for reasons
> that I mentioned. And then the exact position does matter. I you are editing
> in a line and need to be careful for a bookmark, it's nice to know were it
> is.

My current user-case. Hyperlinking citations within a text to a list of references. Using cross-references for this doesn't work since there is no way to edit the text used in the citation. My list of references is double-column, thus it would be very useful to see which bookmark name I have associated to each entry in case I end up editing the entry or two entries that could have very similar bookmark name.
Comment 11 Robinson Tryon (qubit) 2015-12-13 11:24:16 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 12 Leopoldo Saggin 2015-12-21 18:23:47 UTC
In order to show bookmarks into LibreOffice I'm still using an extension which was released for [Sun] OpenOffice, ie "Visible Bookmarks" by Rup.Xamqon which you can get from:
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/visiblebookmarks
I translated it into Italian and this is why I know it. It is far from perfect, but it works. It was released by the author as a patch for this problem which was already present (and still not solved) in OpenOffice and he invited to vote for the solution of this bug also in its "Help" which integrates with OOo/LibO Help.

My 2 cents tip.
Topoldo
Comment 13 Cor Nouws 2017-09-02 10:07:32 UTC
A recent extension is this one
  https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/bookmark-toggle
Comment 14 Nicolas Göddel 2019-08-26 15:21:19 UTC
My coworkers would really appreciate it if they would be able to show bookmarks without changing the layout like it happens when one enables field names. They often delete bookmarks in a 2000+ pages document without even noticing it. The bookmarks are there for the subject catalog at the end of the document. This especially happens if a bookmark is at the beginning of a paragraph.

I think it would be enough to make bookmarks visible like variable setters, non-breaking spaces or somehow similar.
Comment 15 mace 2019-10-03 14:53:02 UTC
I also support this request. My use case are citations in Zotero. In order to increase the compatibility with MSoffice users, I use the option to insert Zotero citations as bookmark (fields are the standard). This enables me to share my LO produced documents with MSoffice users much easier. However, the downside is that its very hard to know where the citations are. I would therefore support that bookmarks can be highlighted in grey in the same way as fields can be.
Comment 16 Cor Nouws 2019-10-03 21:21:52 UTC
For all people/teams that really would love to have this (without extension):
apart from coding yourself, there are wonderful developers that may be hired for nice improvements in LibreOffice.
  https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/
Comment 17 zionoto 2019-10-20 05:49:26 UTC
Created attachment 155159 [details]
ms Word book mark representation
Comment 18 zionoto 2019-10-20 05:54:54 UTC
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) from comment #6)
> Google Docs is the only word processor that shows bookmarks 

MS word has the possibility to show bookmarks as non printable chars: the bookmarks are represented by square brackets as follows: [bookmarked text] please see the attached screenshot I have just tested.