Created attachment 198729 [details] How the "Title slide" layout looks with LO 25.8 A "Title slide" is a slide serving as the title for the whole presentation, or for a section of it etc. i.e. given that there is nothing extra in the slide the word "Title" relates to, it relates to the presentation or at least to multiple slides. ... but that is a _function_ of a slide, not its _layout_. The layout we currently have, called "Title Slide", is the same layout as a "Content Slide", except with the choice of a textbox rather than the placeholder for choosing one of several types of content. The layout name does not fit the actual layout; and, in fact, this kind of layout is almost never used for a title slide (in my experience). This kind of layout, if we should keep it at all, should be called something like "Title, Text Content".
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > Created attachment 198729 [details] > How the "Title slide" layout looks with LO 25.8 > > This kind of layout, if we should keep it at all, should be called something > like "Title, Text Content". It is a "Title, Subtitle". When you click on the center text box and look in the presentation styles part of the sidebar, then you can see, that the center text box is a "Subtitle". There is already a "Title, Content" layout, so "Title, Text Content" would be confusing. BTW, "Centered Text" layout is in fact a "Subtitle only".
I agree to either removing the current title slide layout or renaming to something else if anyone feels it may be used/useful. The Title slide (or Presentation Title) layout slide should be like the one described in Bug 164839, as everyone coming from either MS Office or Google docs expects this to be the fist slide.
The master slide "Title slide" contains correctly a title object and a subtitle object. We could rename the layout in "Title, Subtitle" and change the placeholder text of the lower text box form "Click to add Text" to "Click to add Subtitle". Those parts are easy. The real problem is, that the subtitle object has no own object area on the master slide. Currently a master slide has only the five object areas 'Title', 'Outline', 'Date and Time', 'Footer', 'Slide Number'. Position and size of the 'object area' on the master slide is used for the outline object(s) and the subtitle as well. The user has no way to set different size and position for outline and subtitle on the master slide. That means, that the user is forced to define a special master slide for to be used with "Title, Subtitle" layout and a different master slide for to be used with "Title, Content" layout. It should be possible to have the same master slide for both layouts. That is a missing feature in LibreOffice. ODF provides the necessary values of the presentation:class attribute of the draw:frame element. The actual default position and size of an placeholder object on the individual slide is determined by draw:frame elements of the <style:master-page> elements and <presentation:placeholder> elements in the <style:presentation-page-layout> elements in file format. For related problems see bug 62332, bug 78156, bug 93087, bug 102318. I suggest to keep this report for the above mentioned "easy parts". The request for a default layout with title and subtitle that is similar to those in other office suites is likely already covered by one of the other mentioned bugs.
So, I've closed the related bug 164839, since, indeed, this layout does present a Title element and a Subtitle element. Quoting my own closing comment on that bug: > Let me just say why I (and many/most users) miss this fact. It is because: > > * The layout name, read in context of other layouts like "Title, > Content", does not suggest that there's a subtitle. > * The actual layout functuionally disagrees with the "subtitle" area > actually being a subtitle: The dimensions of the Title and Subtitle > correspond to the title and content areas of a "Title, Content" slide. I > (and many/most users) do not even conceive that anybody would mark this > area as a subtitle. suggest we change _that_. But as Regina explains in comment #3, the first part is easy, and the second part is harder. So, I accept Regina's suggestion for now, I'm renaming this bug, and will either comment on one of the existing bugs Regina linked to or open a separate bug about how to achieve a better-default-positioned Title+Subtitle layout.
This requires to change the labels on two places: officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/UI/DrawImpressCommands.xcu => .uno:AssignLayout?WhatLayout sd/inc/strings.hrc => STR_AUTOLAYOUT_TITLE