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PowerPoint (and other apps) allows users to edit the notes associated with a slide just by entering the text in a edit-form right under the slide*. The current behavior in LibreOffice Impress is to show slides and notes as a single "paper-like" page.
This approach has many problems:
- Lengthy notes overflow from the page instead of scrolling
- Every slide needs to be zoomed in/out, scrolled up/down, because of this
- You have to "care" about font size because of the lack of scrolling
- You cannot edit the slide's contents at the same time as editing notes
- Selecting text is difficult (you have to place the mouse cursor precisely on characters to activate the "text box" that contains the notes)
- Margins all around, wasting tons of precious space on computer screens
- It tries to emulate paper on a piece of software that is definitely not meant for it as a preferred target medium (why would we need this if we could write notes in Writer anyway?)
- You can't view all notes of all slides in a combined manner
*Note: I'd suggest taking advantage of widescreen monitor aspect ratios and putting the notes widget in the sidebar on the right, instead of eating precious vertical space. Besides, most presenter notes are meant to be a collection of short sentences (bullet-point style), which means that they are typically better suited for a vertical layout instead of a horizontal layout (since some lines may not fill the entire space).
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First rough mockup of the UI for adding notes
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Quick mockup of notes UI (hidden by default)
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Quick mockup of notes UI (shown)
So, the basic idea behind my proposal is to have an additional pane for notes, collapsed by default.
To add notes, one would expand the pane. LibreOffice would automatically bring cursor focus to the Notes field and, if the zoom level was set to "Fit width and height", it would adjust the zoom level so that the slide fit snugly above the Notes pane.
Great enhancement for impress, so lets see how hard it is to implement.
Math has a similar panel for typing in text, though it doesnt have formatting capabilities.
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This seems to have slipped out of sight. As a presenter this is a key reason I might not use Impress. I wonder if we might get a developer assessment of this issue please, which while strictly an enhancement actually conceals a usability bug.
@Thorsten, @Maxim: Could you possibly evaluate how difficult this would be to achieve? Thanks.
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #15)
> @Thorsten, @Maxim: Could you possibly evaluate how difficult this would be
> to achieve? Thanks.
Not terribly hard, it's essentially re-jiggering existing functionality. Can provide code pointers if there's interest.
(In reply to Thorsten Behrens (CIB) from comment #16)
> Not terribly hard, it's essentially re-jiggering existing functionality. Can
> provide code pointers if there's interest.
Yes please do if you dont already know someone interested in taking it on, as this would highly improve the UX for professionals.
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #17)
> (In reply to Thorsten Behrens (CIB) from comment #16)
> > Not terribly hard, it's essentially re-jiggering existing functionality. Can
> > provide code pointers if there's interest.
> Yes please do if you dont already know someone interested in taking it on,
> as this would highly improve the UX for professionals.
Also interested to work on this.
This is the main reason why I keep on using other tools to prepare slides for presentations.
No need for fancy formatting in this dockable pane, usual suspects are fine as the idea is to be able to get references and additional information useful to presenters and possibly viewers (when sharing the Notes).
One more vote of "this is a deal-breaker for me". I was using Google Slides, and I thought "I need a more powerful and serious presentation program", so I tried Impress.
Open Office Writer is far better than Google Docs. Open Office Calc is far better than Google Sheets. So I was incredibly surprised/disappointed to find out that this relatively basic feature has better support in a web page than in a full featured application!
Please add the ability to simultaneously edit slides and notes, it's essential.
P.S. After I posted here I went looking for a replacement, and happened upon this comment (in an article about presentation software options) expressing a similar view:
"WPS Presentation works better than Libre Office/Openoffice. It does not lose notes written in the bottom pane like LO/OO do."
Stuart F. Taylor
November 24, 2016 at 4:27 am
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I really feel like this feature is incredibly low-hanging fruit for the value it would add.
You're absolutely right. When I make slides, I am always editing the visuals (what goes on the slide and then the projector screen), and my speech (what goes in the notes, and I use as the autocue) in parallel. It would make LO *so* much more productive if the speaker notes were always visible at the same time, rather than laboriously having to context switch in and out of the Notes view (about 5 seconds every time, after the slides re-flow). I estimate this one thing would have saved me 10 hours of work this week.
In an ideal world, for me:
* The area around the slide itself would be locked, to avoid pointless hor/vert scrolling
* The notes would always be visible, under the main slide, [or perhaps in a side panel] - and the place for typing them shouldn't move around or be deletable.
* The notes area would be forced to plaintext - yes, I want to be able to embed line-breaks (and maybe bold/italic/underline), but I really don't want any more than that level of formatting - and it always looks messy on printouts if the speaker notes embed random font sizes, or the position moves around underneath the slide.
* When giving a presentation, the notes should show up in the optimal way for autocue, say at 18pt font, in one of the most legible - this might be a property of LO's config, rather than the specific presentation - and obviously, shrink the font if the notes are so long that they scroll off the screen!
* When exporting, the notes should be well laid out under the slide, and should not move sideways.
Fixing this would definitely merit a bug bounty from me - thanks.
I would subscribe to a bounty to implement the feature as described by Richard Neill
Any progress on this usability issue? I'd love to be able to write notes and design slides simultaneously!
Same here, I would also really like to see this feature available.
@Notes for "what do I say during the presentation":
Imo, The current style is inconvenient for notes regarding what the speaker says.
My usual note length exceeds the space for notes inside the notes view by far. That makes using notes a little harrowing.
@Notes for other people
The Notes View makes total sense!
Created attachment 154370 [details]
Mockup of a vertical scrolling notes layout reusing the standard LibreOffice sidebar expander widgets
As I stated in my original bug report above, I believe an approach with a "horizontal" notes pane (bottom bar) would be inferior to one where we use a vertical sidebar, for three simple reasons:
* Computer screens are widescreen (unlike the 90's where PowerPoint's bottom bar came from) or even ultra-wide (one of my screens is 21:9), so I have more UI pixels to spare on that dimension than in the other.
* Presenter notes are often meant to be bulletpoint-style short sentences, they are better-suited to a vertical layout (they would "waste" the space of a horizontal layout and require very tedious scrolling). And super wide sentences suck for reading and wouldn't even remotely resemble what would actually be shown on the presenter screen, anyway.
* The technical implementation would be easier, because you wouldn't have to create a whole new pane widget, you just reuse the existing sidebar and add a new component in there, which should make it relatively straightforward.
Attaching a mockup that illustrates how this would actually look like in practice.
I like this very much!
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Given that I opened https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=103816 more then 10 years ago and that this turned out to be a duplicate of a bug report being another 5 years older: *please* do implement something like this, finally...
The current way of editing notes annoys me again every time I have to prepare a presentation.
I would like to join the effort to make this happen. 10 years is a long time for such an important feature to be on the waiting line... Any LibreOffice coders willing to give some hints on where to start? Maybe some code pointers to the places where this could be implemented in an easy clean way as Thorsten Behrens (CIB) offered some time ago?
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I think that 20 users in Cc make importance High.
To try and get some attention on this enhancement I'm offering a little bitcoin experiment with a "enhancement bounty".
Pretty simple 100 Eur via BTC for this enhancement. Posted more details on how this might work on Reddit titled: "Jury-rigged Enhancement Bounty - Presenter notes in normal view!"
Would really love to generate some momentum on this one, this feature will be really valuable as evidenced by the interest shown here.
Feedback and suggestions welcome.
(In reply to Attrib from comment #32)
> Feedback and suggestions welcome.
Have you contacted the Certified Developers and has there been a reply with the cost, and amount of time required for them, to implement this feature?
Having a developer is willing to give a quote on the cost to implement this feature would be a good start.
What do you think?
(In reply to Óvári from comment #33)
> (In reply to Attrib from comment #32)
> > Feedback and suggestions welcome.
> Have you contacted the Certified Developers https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/
Great suggestion Óvári! I didn't realize there was a certified developers directory.
> Having a developer is willing to give a quote on the cost to implement this
> feature would be a good start.
Agree it would be a great start to get an estimate or scope first. I just wouldn't want to lead the developer on since I don't have a budget that could fairly pay for a devs time on a project like this. Even given a fair quote and scope I can't fund the work alone.
I am very interested to hear how much work this would be so if it's a more realistic experiment, I'm happy to moderate the bounty to incentivize a well written spec/quote. If that's a sensible first step and might make it easier for others to contribute. 'Bountying' a spec is much harder to define success though.
I also realize 100 Eur is still really just a token rather then fair remuneration for a talented developer. I was hoping someone would play along to test out the idea of an open source feature bounty and complete this popularly requested enhancement at the same time.
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I would love to see this implemented. This is currently the main reason that keeps me from using LO for my job.
Is there any update on this?
Can I please reemphasise how much this would improve the process of making slides! I literally switch to and from the notes mode every few seconds while editing, and it turns a reasonably smooth process into a very, very painstaking one.
Like many, I don't treat the notes as "a commentary on the slide added after the fact, or a placeholder for footnotes", I use it to contain and edit the actual body of my speech. To me, the "Speaker notes" are "the single most important part of the presentation and how I edit and design the structure; in fact the "Normal" graphic is merely the visual-aids that go with the speech".
At the moment, it feels like having to use the "vi" editor, or typing in Baudot code, where you have to do a mode-switch dozens of times a minute, just to achieve the simplest thing.
Google slides gets this one right.
I'll gladly offer £1k for a fix.
(In reply to RichardNeill from comment #37)
> Can I please reemphasise how much this would improve the process of making
> slides! I literally switch to and from the notes mode every few seconds
> while editing, and it turns a reasonably smooth process into a very, very
> painstaking one.
You know, that you can open a second window with the same presentation (Window > New Window) and use slide mode and notes mode side by side, so that changing something in the slide is immediately reflected in the notes?
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #38)
> (In reply to RichardNeill from comment #37)
> > Can I please reemphasise how much this would improve the process of making
> > slides! I literally switch to and from the notes mode every few seconds
> > while editing, and it turns a reasonably smooth process into a very, very
> > painstaking one.
> You know, that you can open a second window with the same presentation
> (Window > New Window) and use slide mode and notes mode side by side, so
> that changing something in the slide is immediately reflected in the notes?
Not quite usefull for presentation that's... big.. with small screen... I hope this could be implemented new future...
Is this the right place to enter a feature request that Impress show notes by default in presenter view, or at least have an option to show those notes by default?
At present, having to switch on the notes is an extra step that one has to go through before one can use Impress effectively. It is an extra step that one expects to see those notes. One expects it for two reasons: (1.i) people write notes so that they can see them when presenting; (1.ii) if one is used to PowerPoint (from which indeed one might have imported one slides.
A further reason that having to switch on the notes is an _extra_ step (or hurdle) obtains (like 1.ii) if one is importing from PowerPoint. Today it is still the case that Impress garbles some PowerPoint presentations. Thus, after fixing those problems, one still has to . . remember to switch on the note view.
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