Bug 33603 - Presenter notes should be available in normal view as a scrolling pane
Summary: Presenter notes should be available in normal view as a scrolling pane
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Impress (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
3.3.0 release
Hardware: Other All
: medium enhancement
Assignee: Not Assigned
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Keywords: needsDevEval, topicUI
: 92391 95994 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: 47448
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Reported: 2011-01-27 09:23 UTC by Jean-François Fortin Tam
Modified: 2017-05-13 12:15 UTC (History)
10 users (show)

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First rough mockup of the UI for adding notes (324.18 KB, image/png)
2014-01-30 19:06 UTC, Tin Man
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Quick mockup of notes UI (hidden by default) (323.14 KB, image/png)
2014-01-30 19:31 UTC, Tin Man
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Quick mockup of notes UI (shown) (322.87 KB, image/png)
2014-01-30 19:39 UTC, Tin Man
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Description Jean-François Fortin Tam 2011-01-27 09:23:36 UTC
Cloning/rewording some comments from:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=56172
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=80195

PowerPoint (and other apps) allows users to edit the notes associated with a slide just by entering the text in a edit-form right under the slide*. The current behavior in LibreOffice Impress is to show slides and notes as a single "paper-like" page.

This approach has many problems:
- Lengthy notes overflow from the page instead of scrolling
- Every slide needs to be zoomed in/out, scrolled up/down, because of this
- You have to "care" about font size because of the lack of scrolling
- You cannot edit the slide's contents at the same time as editing notes
- Selecting text is difficult (you have to place the mouse cursor precisely on characters to activate the "text box" that contains the notes)
- Margins all around, wasting tons of precious space on computer screens
- It tries to emulate paper on a piece of software that is definitely not meant for it as a preferred target medium (why would we need this if we could write notes in Writer anyway?)
- You can't view all notes of all slides in a combined manner


*Note: I'd suggest taking advantage of widescreen monitor aspect ratios and putting the notes widget in the sidebar on the right, instead of eating precious vertical space. Besides, most presenter notes are meant to be a collection of short sentences (bullet-point style), which means that they are typically better suited for a vertical layout instead of a horizontal layout (since some lines may not fill the entire space).
Comment 1 Gaetano Giunta 2011-06-13 08:36:01 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 2 Don't use this account, use tml@iki.fi 2011-06-13 08:48:46 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 3 Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 11:49:04 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 4 A (Andy) 2013-04-23 19:47:42 UTC
changed to enhancement request
Comment 5 Tin Man 2014-01-30 19:06:21 UTC
Created attachment 93080 [details]
First rough mockup of the UI for adding notes
Comment 6 Tin Man 2014-01-30 19:31:55 UTC
Created attachment 93086 [details]
Quick mockup of notes UI (hidden by default)
Comment 7 Tin Man 2014-01-30 19:39:10 UTC
Created attachment 93087 [details]
Quick mockup of notes UI (shown)

So, the basic idea behind my proposal is to have an additional pane for notes, collapsed by default.

To add notes, one would expand the pane. LibreOffice would automatically bring cursor focus to the Notes field and, if the zoom level was set to "Fit width and height", it would adjust the zoom level so that the slide fit snugly above the Notes pane.
Comment 8 Yousuf Philips (jay) 2015-08-09 02:39:06 UTC
Great enhancement for impress, so lets see how hard it is to implement.
Comment 9 Yousuf Philips (jay) 2015-10-28 16:21:29 UTC
Math has a similar panel for typing in text, though it doesnt have formatting capabilities.
Comment 10 Yousuf Philips (jay) 2015-12-01 07:13:42 UTC
*** Bug 92391 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 11 Óvári 2015-12-01 08:44:05 UTC
*** Bug 95994 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 12 Óvári 2015-12-01 08:47:45 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 13 Robinson Tryon (qubit) 2015-12-13 11:24:17 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 14 Simon Phipps 2017-02-07 17:37:57 UTC
This seems to have slipped out of sight. As a presenter this is a key reason I might not use Impress. I wonder if we might get a developer assessment of this issue please, which while strictly an enhancement actually conceals a usability bug.
Comment 15 Yousuf Philips (jay) 2017-05-12 22:33:33 UTC Comment hidden (obsolete)
Comment 16 Thorsten Behrens (CIB) 2017-05-13 00:51:03 UTC
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #15)
> @Thorsten, @Maxim: Could you possibly evaluate how difficult this would be
> to achieve? Thanks.

Not terribly hard, it's essentially re-jiggering existing functionality. Can provide code pointers if there's interest.
Comment 17 Yousuf Philips (jay) 2017-05-13 12:15:50 UTC
(In reply to Thorsten Behrens (CIB) from comment #16)
> Not terribly hard, it's essentially re-jiggering existing functionality. Can
> provide code pointers if there's interest.

Yes please do if you dont already know someone interested in taking it on, as this would highly improve the UX for professionals.