Bug 104074 - Improve design of commands related to template items in File menu (see comment 10)
Summary: Improve design of commands related to template items in File menu (see commen...
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LibreOffice (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
5.3.0.0.alpha1+
Hardware: All All
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Keywords: difficultyMedium, easyHack, skillDesign, topicDesign
: 123178 123216 126901 139187 145102 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: Template-Manager Templates
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Reported: 2016-11-21 05:25 UTC by Franklin Weng
Modified: 2023-04-17 12:31 UTC (History)
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When opening a template with "Open Template", the title of the file is not "Untitled" but the template file name itself (83.46 KB, image/png)
2016-11-21 05:28 UTC, Franklin Weng 		Details
After clicking Save button the file will be saved directly (298.13 KB, image/png)
2016-11-21 05:29 UTC, Franklin Weng 		Details
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Description Franklin Weng 2016-11-21 05:25:45 UTC 
Before LibreOffice 5.1 we have to use "Manage Template" to open a template.  In 5.3.0 alpha1+Master (Nov. 18) there's an "Open Template" in the File menu.  However if we open a template using "Open Template", it will open the template file directly just as a normal odf file, therefore when saving it will save the template file directly, instead of opening a file dialog to select a file to save.  Using the old way "Manage Template" the behavior is correct.
Comment 1 Franklin Weng 2016-11-21 05:28:12 UTC 
Created attachment 128902 [details]
When opening a template with "Open Template", the title of the file is not "Untitled" but the template file name itself
Comment 2 Franklin Weng 2016-11-21 05:29:50 UTC 
Created attachment 128903 [details]
After clicking Save button the file will be saved directly

The expected behavior should be like "Save As..."
Comment 3 Franklin Weng 2016-11-21 05:31:19 UTC 
All the LibreOffice components (Writer / Calc / ...) are of the same wrong behavior.
Comment 4 Buovjaga 2016-11-28 19:58:47 UTC 
Reproduced.

Arch Linux 64-bit, KDE Plasma 5
Version: 5.4.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 368de904974b18dc5a8d237e046c0ed005f7c85d
CPU Threads: 8; OS Version: Linux 4.8; UI Render: default; VCL: kde4; Layout Engine: new; 
Locale: fi-FI (fi_FI.UTF-8); Calc: group
Built on November 26th 2016
Comment 5 Maxim Monastirsky 2016-11-28 20:27:34 UTC 
Yes, the "Open Template" menu item is for editing the template itself, not for creating a new document based on that template - see Bug 61396. This isn't a bug.
Comment 6 Buovjaga 2016-11-28 20:35:20 UTC 
CCing UX: why not use "Edit template" instead of "Open template"? Or if you really have to use the word "Open", why not "Open template for editing"?
Comment 7 Franklin Weng 2016-11-28 21:39:49 UTC 
I don't think it a good way.  Usually if we want to edit a template, it should be under the "manage template" and provide an "edit" feature.  For most people "Open template" means to open it as the template of a document, which is used to fill the content and easily complete the document.
Comment 8 Heiko Tietze 2019-02-14 13:29:17 UTC 
*** Bug 123216 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 9 Heiko Tietze 2019-02-14 13:29:47 UTC 
*** Bug 123178 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 10 Heiko Tietze 2019-02-14 13:34:54 UTC 
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. 

(File > New >) Templates... is a bit unclear and could be renamed to "From Template...". 

The dialog that opens per File > Templates > Manage Templates (or via From Template...) has no "managing" features. Those could be added, which is filed likely in other tickets. We could also just remove the "Manage Templates" menu in favor of File > New >. 

The change is an easyhack but it needs to be sure how both relates to each other.
Comment 11 Maxim Monastirsky 2019-08-20 18:40:30 UTC 
*** Bug 126901 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 12 TorrAB 2019-08-25 16:18:14 UTC 
(Complement to Bug 126901) File>Template opens a 3-item submenu:
 Open Template; Save as Template; Manage Templates.
	Since Manage Template allows the user to open any from the list, Open Template is useless (and buggy!), may be removed. Furthermore, Save as Template should be moved to the submenu of File>Save as, where it logically belong. (Just extend the .odt type choice to include .ott.)
	In the end, the File>Template submenu reduces to one item and can be removed. File>Template (^N) becomes a direct choice.
Comment 13 sdc.blanco 2021-01-07 10:26:25 UTC 
Modified summary to better reflect the issue raised in this ticket.
Comment 14 Heiko Tietze 2021-01-19 10:49:14 UTC 
*** Bug 139187 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 15 Heiko Tietze 2021-10-14 06:55:18 UTC 
*** Bug 145102 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 16 Heiko Tietze 2022-08-08 07:49:33 UTC 
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10)
> ...no "managing" features. Those could be added...

Done for bug 104154.
Comment 17 Heiko Tietze 2022-08-11 13:27:43 UTC 
Code pointer in bug 146161 comment .