Created attachment 79194 [details]
demo file with highlighting, which is not removable in MS Office 2003+
Description of problem:
Broken interoperability between LibreOffice writer and Microsoft Office Word.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
* Debian 7 with LibreOffice 18.104.22.168 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2);
* Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS with LibreOffice 22.214.171.124 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)
* Ubuntu 12.10 with Version 126.96.36.199 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:2));
* openSUSE 12.3 "Dartmouth" with Version 3.6:build-304 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:304));
* Fedora 18 with Version 188.8.131.52 (Build ID: 184.108.40.206-5.fc18);
* Fedora 19 with Version 220.127.116.11 (Build ID: 18.104.22.168-2.fc19) and Version 22.214.171.124 (Build ID: 126.96.36.199-1.fc19);
* Ubuntu 13.04 with Version 188.8.131.52 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:2));
* Windows 7 Starter SP1 with LibreOffice 184.108.40.206 (ID сборки 4c82...49c3) and Версия 220.127.116.11 (ID сборки: 0eaa50a932c8f2199a615e1eb30f7ac74279539).
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Create a DOC/DOCX document with some text and mark in LibreOffice Writer.
2. Use highlighting yellow marker from toolbar to mark some words.
3. Save document.
4. Open document in MS Word 2003+ and try to change higlight color from yellow to white.
5. Yellow highlighting is still present. There is only one way to remove it - change/remove its style from Styles and formatting sidebar.
Highligting must be changed as it done in MS Office - via Highligting button, not from Styles.
This bug has 9 years history.
Confirmed. I am not sure this is a bug --- could be simply a basic incompatibility in the design of the "OO.org" dinasty and the MS suite, but it is surely the most important (IMHO) interoperability problem, simply because it will bit you *for sure* ("Please comment on the highlighted part" --- "hey, I an unable to undo the highlighting, what have you done?").
 explication: I digged the RTF files and MS Word uses two different properties for background and highlighting, the latter with precedence on the former. Not being a developer, I do not know if LO has the separate concept... if no, I understand this could be almost impossible to fix (think backward compatibility of the files).
Comment on attachment 79194 [details]
demo file with highlighting, which is not removable in MS Office 2003+
Michael/Miklos: this bug seems more general than fdo#37540. So I would put 37540 as a dup of this one.
For the moment I'll put this at New, even if I can't confirm myself since I don't have MsOffice, because 37540 describe a similar behaviour.
Anyway, the most important is it seems we got an incompatibility here. Any idea?
The bug#37540 and this one are clearly the same. I have MS office and I can produce all the test files you need --- simply tell me.
In the bug#37540 I have attached an analysis of a RTF file that shows the problem.
I had lost any hope that this one could be fixable... as I said, maybe it's not trivial at all.
Romano: My entire previous comment was for both core devs quoted (Michael and Miklos) that I put on cc list. Sorry for the confusion.
*** Bug 60892 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
[writer][bullets] when highlighting is turned off for a text with bullets, the text is correctly displayed but the bullets are not.
reproduced on x86_64 linux, libreoffice-18.104.22.168
Bug is still exist in the latest Windows build of LibreOffice
ID сборки: 40b2d7fde7e8d2d7bc5a449dc65df4d08a7dd38
Please fix it as soon as possible.
Highlighting marker is used very often.
It breaks normal document exchange between Microsoft Office Word users and LO/OO users.
I mean: "Highlighting marker is used very often.
But this bug breaks normal document exchange between Microsoft Office Word users and LO/OO users."
So docx is done as bug 65403 and bug 65404 so I'll mark this as a dup of that and leave bug 37540 open for the .doc which we need to double check to see if that's implemented yet or not
*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 65403 ***
Thank you for your great work and for your commit, Zolnai Tamas!
I downloaded a latest daily build from here (http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@39/current/master~2013-10-08_08.41.40_LibreOfficeDev_22.214.171.124.alpha0_Win_x86.msi).
Build ID: 8850633fe4cdac306c35caab1a0d14c13d9df864
TinderBox: Win-x86@39, Branch:master, Time: 2013-10-08_08:41:40
It seem that bug is not fixed (wrong version?).
I can not remove highlighting in Word using DOCX and highlighting marker.
What I did:
0. Open LibreOffice Writer 4.2
1. I wrote some text
2. Set a highlight of its fragment
3. Got yellow highlight of selected fragment
4. Saved this file as fdo64490.odt (Ctrl+S) and fdo64490.docx (Ctrl+Shift+S)
5. Opened fdo64490.docx with Microsoft Office Word 2007 (12.0.6683.5001) SP3 MSO (12.0.6683.5000)
6. I tried to remove highlighting with white marker
But highlightment remains.
7. If I try to remove higlightment with background button
– it works
So I do not know what was changed as it works like before. Highlightning is
replaced by shading (background) again.
I created two attachments - fdo64490.odt (full diary with screenshots) and fdo64490.docx (exported docx - from step 5).
Created attachment 87274 [details]
full diary with screenshots for comment 11
Created attachment 87275 [details]
exported docx - from step 5 (see comment 11)
My patch only makes able to display highlighting imported from DOCX files and export it back to a new DOCX file. I didn't even know that LibreOffice has a highlight feature (and as I see by know it's just a toolbar item working as a simple character background, not a really existing feature). So the bug isn't solved, however my patch contains implementation of a highlight attribute so the next step should be to link the toolbar item with this new attribute instead of character background and then it will be exported/imported well to/from DOCX.
So I reopen the bug.
(In reply to comment #11)
> Thank you for your great work and for your commit, Zolnai Tamas!
> I downloaded a latest daily build from here
> Version: 126.96.36.199.alpha0+
> Build ID: 8850633fe4cdac306c35caab1a0d14c13d9df864
> TinderBox: Win-x86@39, Branch:master, Time: 2013-10-08_08:41:40
> It seem that bug is not fixed (wrong version?).
> I can not remove highlighting in Word using DOCX and highlighting marker.
> What I did:
> 0. Open LibreOffice Writer 4.2
> 1. I wrote some text
> 2. Set a highlight of its fragment
> 3. Got yellow highlight of selected fragment
> 4. Saved this file as fdo64490.odt (Ctrl+S) and fdo64490.docx (Ctrl+Shift+S)
> 5. Opened fdo64490.docx with Microsoft Office Word 2007 (12.0.6683.5001) SP3
> MSO (12.0.6683.5000)
> 6. I tried to remove highlighting with white marker
> But highlightment remains.
> 7. If I try to remove higlightment with background button
> – it works
> So I do not know what was changed as it works like before. Highlightning is
> replaced by shading (background) again.
> I created two attachments - fdo64490.odt (full diary with screenshots) and
> fdo64490.docx (exported docx - from step 5).
Just notice that this bug is here since the start of time --- the linked bug on apache.org is from 2004, but I am sure there are traces of it before that date. I was trying to find the
One of the problems is that this is not really a bug; it's a difference in design between OO and derivatives and MS Office and so it can be marked as a "interoperability problem".
It has been repeatedly marked as a low-importance issue; I am still advocating that this problem is the *main* reason I have to run MS Office under Crossover in my daily job. So my humble opinion is that this issue should be marked as very important (as is in bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37540 ).
Have the samee problem
Open test file, marked color is not removable when opened with MS Word 2011.
Shouldn't this bug being marked as a duplicate of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37540 ? They are basically the same issue.
*** Bug 37540 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Marked bug 37540 as duplicate of this bug because of better explanation of the problem (see attachments of bug 64490 - they are useful for performing tests against this bug).
Created attachment 93149 [details]
Three files from Windows version of 188.8.131.52.
If you open the .doc or .docx file in Microsoft Windows, you can't remove the highlighting.
Still here in 184.108.40.206 (tested on windows --- but should be the same).
Romano Giannetti, please do not adjust the Version. This is not the latest version the problem is reproducible in, but the earliest. For more on this, please see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport .
Ok --- sorry for the noise; I though the "release" was where the bug was lately confirmed.
The bug is still here in 220.127.116.11; I attached the files hoping to help developers.
BTW, the problem is not here since 3.3.2 as stated in the bug #37540; it's here from the start of time (I have a report from 2004 against OO.org, but it's older). I start to think that this is some fundamental difference by design and it is not easily fixable.
@nrbntx: Norbert, normally when you mark a bug as duplicate you mark the newest one as a duplicate of the oldest --- not the other way around... I understand you had quite a bit of nice attacchments here, but the effect of doing that is
1) the older bug was marked as high/major and this one is marked as medium/normal
2) now the launchpad bugtracker marked the bug 295014 as invalid (it is tracking 37540)
I do not know if it's possible to undo the thing. I certainly was not be able to change the tracking on launchpad...
I made two changes (high/major and changed link from launchpad 295014 to this bug) to keep bugs in sync.
Thank you, Romano!
I suggest to sync CC lists between LOO and AOO. What do you think?
*** Bug 75426 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Bug exists in 4.3 development version:
Build ID: 335a8a84fe6349fd716d4978346cfff9c884dd9b
TinderBox: Win-x86@47-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2014-03-08_00:13:32
I marked it as a part of mab43.
@nrbrtx: Please note that a bug should only block a single MAB bug: the MAB bug for the oldest, still supported LibO version with which the bug is reproducible. If the bug is still relevant after the lifetime of that version, the bug is transferred to the next newer version.
Removing from mab4.2 and mab4.3.
Any GSoC participants who want to know what happens when they press the highlight toolbar button should review the SfxDispatcher mechanism. It calls on SfxTextShell::Execute(), the slot that it uses is SID_ATTR_CHAR_COLOR_EXT on line 1190 of sw/source/core/ui/textsh1.cxx.
I hope that helps a little bit. You'll probably also need to look at how Word handles highlighting in the docx format. I'll leave that as an exercise for the student :-)
Incidentally, if you ever want to work out what a button uses, then put a breakpoint on SfxDispatcher::Execute - that's how I worked out this.
I'm not a developer too, don't know if it's easy or hard to solve, but I think this issue should be treated with high priority, because many users need to work with both softwares.
If someone have a solution, please send me an email. Thanks!
It *has* to be difficult. Otherwise why is it open since 2004? On december 1st it will be 10 years old...
If I understand the issue, the main problem is that in MS Word there are different attributes for character background and highlight, while in LOO/AOO they are considered the same. If this is the case, making the change and maintaining compatibility with older version of LOO/AOO could be, well, difficult.
Is my guess correct?
moving to mab4.2 list since 4.1.x is END OF LIFE
We are near to 4.3 release, and this bug is here (or in OO.org or in various incarnations of the suite) since 2004.
The only thing that happens is that it is marked as a "must have" for the current version, and never taken care of.
Could a developer comment if this is really impossible to fix? I can understand that if the internal data representation is completely different, this thing could be impossible to fix.
It is a show-stopper for LO in my workplace --- I *have* to be able to interact with MS word and this highlight problem breaks even the simplest document.
To support the claim that it is a 10-years-old bug: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=24317
(In reply to comment #35)
> We are near ...
Please refrain from adding comments to bugs without any additional information. Note that there are companies and individuals providing support if you urgently need a specific fix, but are unable to unable to help with triage or bugfixing yourself.
@Björn --- you are right, sorry.
To add something constructive, I mention I have a workaround if the file is sufficiently simple to be able to save it in RTF:
1) save the file in RTF format
2) open it with a text editor (vi, gedit)
3) substitute all occurrences of
4) Save it.
Now Word is (usually) able to edit the highlight in the file. I tested it only with simple files --- so YMMV.
Please fix this bug. It is extremely annoing. I can't make normal document exchange with colleages, which use MSO 2007/2010 DOCX.
This bug make bad reputation of LibO and AOO for years.
If you need donation, I'm ready to do it.
But please fix this bug as soon as possible!!!
It seems that MS Word-like highlighting is produced by sprmCHighlight SPRM [see 1, p. 58].
So I think that "Highlighting" marker must use this attribute for compatibility with MS Word user-experience.
I'm trying to fix it by myself, but it seems more difficult, than fixing related RTF-highlightning bug 79599.
I haven't chacked 4.3 --- as anyone checked if this bug is still there?
Yes, the bug is still here. According to bug 65403 something gone wrong and for now highlight DOCX import is disabled.
As you can read from my comment 39 - I fixed highlight in RTF as you suggested before (in daily builds of LibO 4.4).
(This is an automated message.)
Setting priority to highest as this is a MAB. This is part of an effort to make the importance of MAB reflected in priority too.
*** Bug 82935 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I just want to note that until this problem is fixed, I will be forced to use MS Office 2010 at work, and they are even considering forcing me to install it on my home computer for when I work from home. I hope it can be fixed soon. I vowed never to install MS Office on my personal computer. :( Thanks!
Bug exists in:
1. LibreOffice 18.104.22.168 (Build ID: 430m0(Build:2)).
2. LibreOffice 22.214.171.124.alpha2 (Build ID: 24f0a5815f581dd9a7f09d30213a379edee6e9ac).
As a conclusion I can say the following - I can't fix bug 65403, bug 65404, bug 64490 by myself (they are more difficult than bug 79599). But I'm ready to test changes.
But these bugs brake normal document exchange between MS Word' and LibO Writer' users, so they should be fixed as soon as possible in LibO 4.3 and upcoming 4.4.
Developers can use my attachments: DOC-to-ODT  and ODT-to-DOC  for round-trip testing.
I created a compaign for crowdfunding on this issue - https://freedomsponsors.org/issue/590/libo-writer-text-highligthing-not-compatible-with-ms-word-doc-and-docx-highlighting-transforms-to-background-color .
moving this to mab4.3 list since 4.2.x reached end of life
Version should be _oldest_ version were this is reproducable, thus updating.
Will be available in the next LO release: 4.5.
How it works:
- Both shading and highlighting are preserved during import and export (from/to MSO formats).
- When on a specific text range we change the character background inside LibreOffice both highlighting and shading will be overwritten with LO character background.
- An option is added to choose how to export LO character background to MSO formats (as shading or as highlighting). This option is at: Options -> Tools -> Load/Save -> Microsoft. Default is highlighting.
Dear Zolnai Tamás!
Thank you for you commits. I'll test them when they will be compiled into daily/nightly LibO build.
I think they will be useful in LibO 4.4 (EOL in 8 months at 25 October 2015) too.
> - An option is added to choose how to export LO character background to MSO
> formats (as shading or as highlighting). This option is at: Options -> Tools
> -> Load/Save -> Microsoft. Default is highlighting.
Sorry, wrong order. It's actually at Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> Microsoft
(In reply to Norbert X from comment #50)
> Dear Zolnai Tamás!
> Thank you for you commits. I'll test them when they will be compiled into
> daily/nightly LibO build.
> I think they will be useful in LibO 4.4 (EOL in 8 months at 25 October 2015)
The problem is this bug fix touches the UI with adding a new option to Options dialog and UI changes are not allowed in bugfix releases.
This bug fix is mentioned in the release notes of the coming LibreOffice 5.0 (see release notes https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0). Therefore it would be wonderful if this feature really worked well, otherwise it should be mentioned in the release notes. In the notes it reads:
Both highlighting and shading are preserved during import / export of Microsoft Word documents. tdf#64490 (Tamás Zolnai)
(In reply to Mike §chinagl from comment #53)
> This bug fix is mentioned in the release notes of the coming LibreOffice 5.0
> (see release notes https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0).
> Therefore it would be wonderful if this feature really worked well,
> otherwise it should be mentioned in the release notes. In the notes it reads:
> Both highlighting and shading are preserved during import / export of
> Microsoft Word documents. tdf#64490 (Tamás Zolnai)
It's not really clear for me what you mean. Is there something that doesn't work on the way you expect based on the release notes?
Or is it just about the difference between the bug report title (speaking only about highlighting) and the release notes (having both shading and highlighting)? For that case: This bug report mentioned only the most annoying part of the problem. Shading and highlighting are connected things and we had to handle both of them to solve this issue. So you can lean on the release notes, both attributes are preserved.
(In reply to Zolnai Tamás from comment #54)
> It's not really clear for me what you mean. Is there something that doesn't
> work on the way you expect based on the release notes?
Just ignore that. This text is copy-pasted to any bug referenced by the release notes.
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